[meteorite-list] Mifflin meteorite for sale on EBay

From: bill kies <parkforestmet_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 23:12:06 -0500
Message-ID: <BAY173-W2700552330F270E1ECF9BA2800_at_phx.gbl>

The specimen he offered as Ash Creek is obvoiusly not the same material as the slice he offered as Mifflin. I don't care if he's a scammer, adled or just mixed up. If you're going to buy you'd best do your due diligence. That's how bargains are found and as much as I do respect the integrity of the majors, I still believe in good deals lost in the shuffle.

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> From: mike at meteoriteguy.com
> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 20:59:53 -0700
> To: b1dunovant at aol.com
> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin meteorite for sale on EBay
>
> Ahhhh yes, we'll known scammer.
> Good luck.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:59 PM, B <b1dunovant at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> John (Bryan) Scarborough. . Can't recall his previous Ebay tag.
>>
>> I'll give him credit.. its a very nice slice. But then again, my very fresh unclassified slice sure looked a lot like his Amgala, shape and all, and it too was very nice looking :)
>>
>>
>> Me myself, couldnt have a piece in my main collection which was questionable. Thus why I have a separate partition for my nice but not sure about specimens.
>>
>> Brandon D.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>> Date:
>> To: Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
>> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin meteorite for sale on EBay
>>
>>
>> The fact that the label is for Springwater seems to be a problem to me.
>> I also think it is more likely Ash Creek.
>> Who is Lonestar meteorites? Wasn't that a known scammer?
>> Michael Farmer
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:46 PM, Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Bill, Brandon, Mendy, all,
>>> Honestly, this slice doesn't look bad. If you compare the breccias:
>>>
>>> (real, from a stone found by Sonny Clary)
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MUSEUM-QUALITY-CRUSTED-FULL-SLICE-MAGNIFICENT-MIFFLIN-METEORITE-L5-12-57-GMS-/200687083720?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb9e1e0c8
>>>
>>> (?)
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MIFFLIN-L5-METEORITE-8-26g-BEAUTIFUL-CRUSTED-SLICE-WITNESSED-FALL-4-14-2010-/271220743348?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f26041cb4&nma=true&si=jHrsL50utK2qqpfbNFqr9%252BcmQSM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
>>>
>>> It looks good. The textures are close, if not identical. But, we
>>> know the same seller sliced and sold an unclassified NWA L/LL as
>>> Amgala (proven via photographic comparison of sister slices by another
>>> list-member). And, we know the variety of NWAs available. It would
>>> be tough to find a match this good. But not impossible.
>>>
>>> Mendy suggested Ash Creek -- they're close, but the brecciated portion
>>> of Ash Creek is almost always a lighter grey color and the
>>> unbrecciated lasts look a little more homogenous (makes sense, since
>>> Ash Creek is an L6 and Mifflin's an L5). Definitely discernible in a
>>> line-up of photos.
>>>
>>> Meh. If I really wanted a slice of Mifflin, I'd probably buy this
>>> slice. But I'd scrutinize the hell of out of it, ask him for his
>>> source, and verify provenance as far as I could with photos, weights,
>>> invoices, etc. Not a purchase I'd personally consider. But it is
>>> cheap - if it's real.
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> www.fallsandfinds.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Mendy Ouzillou <ouzillou at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Bill,
>>>>
>>>> To Jason's point, is this past auction Ash Creek, Mifflin or something else: http://bit.ly/13FM9Aw?
>>>>
>>>> Compare this Ash Creek to the present Mifflin being discussed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mendy Ouzillou
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: bill kies <parkforestmet at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To: Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
>>>>> Cc: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 8:23 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin meteorite for sale on EBay
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's forget the seller for the moment. Why is this not Mifflin and what
>>>>> other material do you think it could be?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 20:15:43 -0700
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin meteorite for sale on EBay
>>>>>> From: meteoritekid at gmail.com
>>>>>> To: parkforestmet at hotmail.com
>>>>>> CC: b1dunovant at aol.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Bill, Brandon, All,
>>>>>> Given the seller, I'm surprised anyone would consider it without a
>>>>>> very good photographic record of provenance. Could be Mifflin: looks
>>>>>> better than most of the H-chondrite misrepresented material that was
>>>>>> going around. But the same seller recently sold off-looking Nuevo
>>>>>> Mercurio and Chelyabinsk, and has a documented history of mixing
>>>>>> things up.
>>>>>> Wouldn't touch it, myself.
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.fallsandfinds.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 7:41 PM, bill kies
>>>>> <parkforestmet at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> That slice seemed reasonable. I'm surprised it didn't sell.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> From: b1dunovant at aol.com
>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 09:52:09 -0500
>>>>>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Mifflin meteorite for sale on EBay
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wondered if anybody might offer some input or opinions on a 8.26g
>>>>> slice of "Mifflin" currently for sale on eBay.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://tiny.cc/tugmyw
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great price if as stated.. but is it or not?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Brandon D.
>>>>>>>> IMCA# 9312
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