[meteorite-list] Mifflin meteorite for sale on EBay

From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:06:24 -0700
Message-ID: <CABEOBj+BTsow8MWKwvhq14Bm96-N4PmeVn=mH=mBMP-329+ECA_at_mail.gmail.com>

To answer Bill and Mike,
That smaller slice looks good for Ash Creek to me, and the larger
(supposed Mifflin) looks about right to me as well. Yes, they're
similar, but...a little different.

The original Lonestar Meteorites fellow was somewhat obscure,
definitely on the up-and-up. But, John Bryan Scarborough switched
his ebay handle to a similar name some months ago. Documented
misrepresented material has included Deport, Ash Creek, Mifflin, and
Oum Dreyga. Off-looking specimens that were never analytically
verified have included several others.

Even experienced, well-regarded dealers make mistakes from time to
time, but at some point it's just a bit much...

Jason


www.fallsandfinds.com


On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com> wrote:
> The fact that the label is for Springwater seems to be a problem to me.
> I also think it is more likely Ash Creek.
> Who is Lonestar meteorites? Wasn't that a known scammer?
> Michael Farmer
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:46 PM, Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Bill, Brandon, Mendy, all,
>> Honestly, this slice doesn't look bad. If you compare the breccias:
>>
>> (real, from a stone found by Sonny Clary)
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MUSEUM-QUALITY-CRUSTED-FULL-SLICE-MAGNIFICENT-MIFFLIN-METEORITE-L5-12-57-GMS-/200687083720?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb9e1e0c8
>>
>> (?)
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MIFFLIN-L5-METEORITE-8-26g-BEAUTIFUL-CRUSTED-SLICE-WITNESSED-FALL-4-14-2010-/271220743348?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f26041cb4&nma=true&si=jHrsL50utK2qqpfbNFqr9%252BcmQSM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
>>
>> It looks good. The textures are close, if not identical. But, we
>> know the same seller sliced and sold an unclassified NWA L/LL as
>> Amgala (proven via photographic comparison of sister slices by another
>> list-member). And, we know the variety of NWAs available. It would
>> be tough to find a match this good. But not impossible.
>>
>> Mendy suggested Ash Creek -- they're close, but the brecciated portion
>> of Ash Creek is almost always a lighter grey color and the
>> unbrecciated lasts look a little more homogenous (makes sense, since
>> Ash Creek is an L6 and Mifflin's an L5). Definitely discernible in a
>> line-up of photos.
>>
>> Meh. If I really wanted a slice of Mifflin, I'd probably buy this
>> slice. But I'd scrutinize the hell of out of it, ask him for his
>> source, and verify provenance as far as I could with photos, weights,
>> invoices, etc. Not a purchase I'd personally consider. But it is
>> cheap - if it's real.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
>>
>> www.fallsandfinds.com
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Mendy Ouzillou <ouzillou at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> To Jason's point, is this past auction Ash Creek, Mifflin or something else: http://bit.ly/13FM9Aw?
>>>
>>> Compare this Ash Creek to the present Mifflin being discussed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mendy Ouzillou
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: bill kies <parkforestmet at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 8:23 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin meteorite for sale on EBay
>>>>
>>>> Let's forget the seller for the moment. Why is this not Mifflin and what
>>>> other material do you think it could be?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 20:15:43 -0700
>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin meteorite for sale on EBay
>>>>> From: meteoritekid at gmail.com
>>>>> To: parkforestmet at hotmail.com
>>>>> CC: b1dunovant at aol.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Bill, Brandon, All,
>>>>> Given the seller, I'm surprised anyone would consider it without a
>>>>> very good photographic record of provenance. Could be Mifflin: looks
>>>>> better than most of the H-chondrite misrepresented material that was
>>>>> going around. But the same seller recently sold off-looking Nuevo
>>>>> Mercurio and Chelyabinsk, and has a documented history of mixing
>>>>> things up.
>>>>> Wouldn't touch it, myself.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Jason
>>>>>
>>>>> www.fallsandfinds.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 7:41 PM, bill kies
>>>> <parkforestmet at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> That slice seemed reasonable. I'm surprised it didn't sell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>>>> From: b1dunovant at aol.com
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 09:52:09 -0500
>>>>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Mifflin meteorite for sale on EBay
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wondered if anybody might offer some input or opinions on a 8.26g
>>>> slice of "Mifflin" currently for sale on eBay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tiny.cc/tugmyw
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great price if as stated.. but is it or not?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Brandon D.
>>>>>>> IMCA# 9312
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