[meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

From: Alexander Seidel <alex.seidel_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 23:17:41 +0200 (CEST)
Message-ID: <trinity-b70dcc47-04e7-4f18-952f-b29628256229-1370812661607_at_3capp-gmx-bs23>

So, you won?t lighten up, Adam?? Is this the spirit of the list, after all?
I think Art has done a great job by temporarily rejecting mails for everyone
to come down to Earth again. Gary made a great response, I concur with that.
The "Big Boyz" will always have their playgrounds here, but just don?t tax
Art?s patience over the limits... We had and we still have fun here for more
than a decade now, so why not just be a little more humble and stay in overall
good spirits..? :-)

Then again: shake, rattle and roll!
Alex
Berlin/Germany




> Gesendet: Sonntag, 09. Juni 2013 um 18:22 Uhr
> Von: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
> An: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
>
> I will not lighten up. This is very serious. I have no problem whatsoever with Andi.? One or two mistakes over a long period of time is understandable.? Taking immediate responsibility for a mistake is admirable and the right thing to do.
>
> It is when I see a pattern that I become alarmed.? I have observed long-winded descriptions in the artifact market.? This is reason for great concern.? Genuine artifacts with proper papering stand on their own and do not need novels or excuses to describe them.? One just needs to contact the authenticator with a unique serial number and any doubts will be removed. The same goes for coins, baseball cards and many other high end collectables.? Do meteorites need to go the same way?
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> In meteorites, collectors depend more on trust than papering.? It would be cost prohibitive to have independently produced C.O.A.s with unique serial numbers for each every named specimen.? This is where trust comes in.? Trust can only be violated so many times and then confidence goes away.? I see this happening now.
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> Adam
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary Fujihara <fujmon at mac.com>
> To: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
> Cc: MeteorList <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 8:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
>
> Aloha Adam,
>
> Lighten up. As Alex stated, no one is perfect and immune from making errors. We are all human and we all make mistakes. Martin and Andi have been gracious to admit their mistake and accept responsibility for their parts in this unfortunate incident. And for that, I have the utmost respect for them.
>
> Andi, keep up your good works in meteorites, and Martin, please get out in the sun again - vitamin D is good for you and the pasty look is most unbecoming.? ;^)
>
> gary
>
> On Jun 9, 2013, at 4:51 AM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > How many bites at the apple do you want? How many more reputations need to be destroyed?? How many times does this have to happen in order to completely destroy collector confidence? I had my worst week ever on eBay after this latest incident. It not only affects collectors, it undermines those who vet their products properly.
> >
> > I think an exclusive apology to Mike Farmer doesn't go far enough. Distributing fake ID cards along with the bogus material and then claiming it came from a Meteorite Icon has gone way too far.? Any meteorite dealer who has been around for a few years would have recognized this material for what is really is; "Garbage put on the market in order to fleece collectors out of their hard earned money"
> >
> > Happy Collecting,
> >
> > Adam
> >?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Cc:
> > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 5:33 AM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> >
> > (A.S.: Hi Art, please let it through, it's important for me, but also for
> > the collectors for not falling for the same scam)
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > After a few days of contemplation (sorry for having been slow, but they were
> > necessary for me to cool down),
> > I want to publically and cordially apology to you all, and especially to
> > Mike Farmer, hoping he will accept it.
> > I was wrong and my reaction was crude, unjust and inadequate.
> > All three specimens in question turned out to be fakes.
> >
> > Mike was right
> > and due to his expertise it was avoided that the pseudo-Estherville came in
> > further circulation,
> > neither the forged Bondoc nor the faked Murchison were distributed,
> > so that a direct damage, caused by my fault, to the community was averted.
> > Therefore we have to thank Mike.
> >
> > Those fakes must have been built by someone, who has a deeper knowledge
> > about meteorites,
> > as it's relatively uncommon, that classical names of semi-rarely meteorites
> > are used and the fakes equipped with a legend and labels. (So far we can
> > recall only another case, the forged Dhofar-Moon, which was more easy to
> > unmask, as the specimens came with a "certification" of the university
> > Muenster, which doesn't issue such, and the find was only one stone, so that
> > the finder himself immediately could identify them as fakes, as no fragments
> > of that stone did exist).
> >
> > We tried to investigate the case further, fearing that more of such fakes
> > will appear to the harm of the collectors.
> > But the seller seems to be now untraceable.
> > His name is:? Jank? Zolt?n from Hungary. He claimed to have purchased an
> > older mineral collection a few years ago, where these specimens were a part
> > of among other meteorites. And the collector's name, he gave, is: J?zsef
> > Vida from Derecske.
> >
> > So we ask you all, to be extremely cautious (and to inform us) if persons of
> > these names contact you.
> >
> >
> > Well, 33 years I was able to sort out the fakes, wrongs, mislabeled ones,
> > now I failed.
> > That shouldn't and that mustn't happen and is in that field unforgivable.
> > (At least, after having learned the lesson, also to behave better, I hope to
> > stay fake-free now till 2046).
> >
> >
> > So I end with the necessary: Mea maxima culpa,
> > and stay in silent contrition until I'll be allowed
> > to see the sun again..
> >
> > Martin Altmann
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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