[meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

From: plagioklas at arcor.de <plagioklas_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 17:46:59 +0200 (CEST)
Message-ID: <570475034.4208712.1370792819083.JavaMail.ngmail_at_webmail09.arcor-online.net>

Ensisheim is just around the corner and you got the same results as during last years ensisheim month. So dont tell its the fault of one member in a list.

By the way, while we talk about honesty and reputations, we should maybe talk about these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FULGURITE-NEVADA-Lightning-Strike-Frozen-Glass-4-70g-SLICE-NOT-METEORITE-/14092678222

Have they ever seen any hypocloric acid, after i told you, that these absolutely unique fulgurites are most probably sinter (calcite or aragonite)?

----- Original Nachricht ----
Von: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
An: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Datum: 09.06.2013 16:51
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

> How many bites at the apple do you want? How many more reputations need to
> be destroyed?? How many times does this have to happen in order to
> completely destroy collector confidence? I had my worst week ever on eBay
> after this latest incident. It not only affects collectors, it undermines
> those who vet their products properly.
>
> I think an exclusive apology to Mike Farmer doesn't go far enough.
> Distributing fake ID cards along with the bogus material and then claiming
> it came from a Meteorite Icon has gone way too far.? Any meteorite dealer
> who has been around for a few years would have recognized this material for
> what is really is; "Garbage put on the market in order to fleece collectors
> out of their hard earned money"
>
> Happy Collecting,
>
> Adam
> ?
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Cc:
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 5:33 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
>
> (A.S.: Hi Art, please let it through, it's important for me, but also for
> the collectors for not falling for the same scam)
>
>
> Hello,
>
> After a few days of contemplation (sorry for having been slow, but they
> were
> necessary for me to cool down),
> I want to publically and cordially apology to you all, and especially to
> Mike Farmer, hoping he will accept it.
> I was wrong and my reaction was crude, unjust and inadequate.
> All three specimens in question turned out to be fakes.
>
> Mike was right
> and due to his expertise it was avoided that the pseudo-Estherville came in
> further circulation,
> neither the forged Bondoc nor the faked Murchison were distributed,
> so that a direct damage, caused by my fault, to the community was averted.
> Therefore we have to thank Mike.
>
> Those fakes must have been built by someone, who has a deeper knowledge
> about meteorites,
> as it's relatively uncommon, that classical names of semi-rarely meteorites
> are used and the fakes equipped with a legend and labels. (So far we can
> recall only another case, the forged Dhofar-Moon, which was more easy to
> unmask, as the specimens came with a "certification" of the university
> Muenster, which doesn't issue such, and the find was only one stone, so
> that
> the finder himself immediately could identify them as fakes, as no
> fragments
> of that stone did exist).
>
> We tried to investigate the case further, fearing that more of such fakes
> will appear to the harm of the collectors.
> But the seller seems to be now untraceable.
> His name is:? Jank? Zolt?n from Hungary. He claimed to have purchased an
> older mineral collection a few years ago, where these specimens were a part
> of among other meteorites. And the collector's name, he gave, is: J?zsef
> Vida from Derecske.
>
> So we ask you all, to be extremely cautious (and to inform us) if persons
> of
> these names contact you.
>
>
> Well, 33 years I was able to sort out the fakes, wrongs, mislabeled ones,
> now I failed.
> That shouldn't and that mustn't happen and is in that field unforgivable.
> (At least, after having learned the lesson, also to behave better, I hope
> to
> stay fake-free now till 2046).
>
>
> So I end with the necessary: Mea maxima culpa,
> and stay in silent contrition until I'll be allowed
> to see the sun again..
>
> Martin Altmann
>
>
>
>
>
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