[meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry

From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 20:35:21 -0400
Message-ID: <CAKBPJW-4oPZOf7N6yE3nHFoXJrAUFDBrG0DqPbZLcfnKWLsXgA_at_mail.gmail.com>

I won't leave a 10.1 pounder in the field and I don't think many
people would. Vapid laws like these make criminals out of law-abiding
people.

Hypothetical case - an H5 (W4) chondrite from BLM land. Let's assume
one is hunting on BLM land and finds a typical weathered
highly-equilibrated meteorite. It is of zero interest to science -
afterall, what can the humble H5 chondrite teach us that it hasn't
already? Scientists are not exactly lining up around the block to get
their hands on terrestrialized H5's. It has little commercial value
to an entity like the government. Let's assume it weighs 10.1 pounds
- what is the market value on that? Surely it's enough to buy a
toliet seat or a wrench for a government agency. Heck, they might buy
a box of Bic pens with the proceeds. There is NO logical reason to
prohibit a private hunter from recovering that meteorite.

Now, let's assume the finder is me. I take my trusty pick and knock
off a piece that weighs 100-200 grams, and throw it as far as I can to
the west - making note of where the chunk lands. I now take home my
legal less-than-10-pound meteorite. The next day, I go back and get
the other legal 100-200g meteorite from where I tossed it. I put the
smaller piece into my personal stash as "unidentified specimen #15B"
and forget about it. I cut off the 20/20 piece for classification,
have the larger mass classified, and report the TKW/mass as just under
10 pounds. Asinine law circumvented, crisis averted.

In the business world, this is known as "exploiting loopholes" - every
major company in this country does it when they dodge their tax burden
by hiding their assets in offshore tax havens. If the government
wants to crack down on criminals, they should go after the Fortune 500
CEO's who are stealing billions of dollars from taxpayers and
destroying capitalism in the process.

I'm feeling quite subversive today. LOL.

Best regards and happy huntings,

MikeG

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On 7/25/13, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:
> There are so many stupid laws in place due to way too bureaucrats with
> nothing better to do, that a saint couldn't help but break a dozen or so
> laws just by leaving their house!  In some neighborhoods, it is illegal to
> drive around the block twice due to anti-cruising ordinances.  If you are
> lost and searching around a neighborhood and happen to go down the same
> street twice within an hour, who would you rather argue with the camera that
> automatically will send you a $280.00 ticket in the mail or a real person
> who may actually interpret the situation properly?
>
> Now back to meteorites.   Be careful not to break too many laws while
> traveling several hundred miles to your destination.  Inevitable, it seems
> somebody can count on getting a ticket if enough hunters attend an event.
> What ever you do; do not get caught with over 10 pounds of meteorites in
> your possession meaning you will have to leave that 10.1 pounder in situ to
> the absolute benefit of no one thanks to all the negative publicity. Also,
> do not sell U.S. finds on eBay including most of the dry lakes here in the
> Southwest, Franconia and Jellen to name  a few.  Big brother is watching
> according to what a BLM agent based out of Needles, CA  told me.
>
>
> Adam
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> ________________________________
> From: robert crane <rrobber1 at msn.com>
> To: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 4:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
>
>
> Solution1
> Obey the damn law.
>
> Solution 2
> Refer to solution 1.
>
>
>
> On Jul 25, 2013, at 15:48, "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> There are some people headed to Hollbrook through Kingman this weekend.
>> Just wanted to give them a heads up on unfair ticketing going on.
>> Somebody else posted the Curry contact which complained about unfair
>> traffic violation citations.  It is pretty bad when some cops are too lazy
>> hand out tickets in person and depend on cameras to do the job.  I have
>> seen mobile camera trucks with 20 foot booms in Arizona waiting around
>> blind corners on the freeway just to ruin somebody's day who may be going
>> a few miles over the limit!  It is pretty bad when you can retrace your
>> road trip 3 months later just by accessing the data on traffic cams.
>>
>> What ever happened to chasing speeders down and giving them a ticket face
>> to face so you can al least see who your accuser is and argue with them if
>> they are wrong?
>>
>> To me, all this data collecting (spying) on every single person in the
>> United States and those in other countries reflects poorly on those
>> currently in office who are abusing this new-found power. They need to be
>> ousted!  What ever happened to warrants and probable cause?  Our freedom
>> of privacy is at stake!
>>
>> What next, a toilet cam with a weight monitor under the seat, a DNA
>> sampler and a butt recognition system?
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>> To: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
>>
>> Why is this on the list?
>> Michael Farner
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There are thousands of cameras in place in Arizona, some of which will
>>> still issue thousands of tickets per camera per year.  They are called
>>> traffic cams and they will still capture your every move and store this
>>> data for an undetermined period of time.  The cameras have OCR meaning
>>> they can read your license plate numbers.  This gives them the ability to
>>> retrace your every move if needed in court.
>>>
>>> The freedom of privacy is long gone!
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Michael Mulgrew <mikestang at gmail.com>
>>> To: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:11 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
>>>
>>> One of thousands of cameras?  Might be a bit of an overstatement.
>>> According to an article written in 2010 (after the state stopped the
>>> photo speed enforcement program), only a few local jurisdictions still
>>> use them.
>>>
>>> "This is much more limited in scale and scope," [Matthew Benson, a
>>> spokesman for the Governor's Office] said. "You've only got (eight)
>>> instances of this throughout the state."
>>> http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/state/some-arizona-cities-still-using-speed-cameras-after-program-was-ended-by-gov-jan-brewer
>>>
>>> Michael in so. Cal.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> It is interesting that our friend is speaking of traffic stops.  Luckily
>>>> for us, ED or Electronic D.N.A. is on the job 24 hours a day 365 days a
>>>> year. Here are some images of my wife I with a Nevada State Patrol in
>>>> hot pursuit.  She had the ticket printed before we were even stopped as
>>>> witnessed on camera.  In Arizona, they will just send you a ticket in
>>>> the mail if one of the thousands of cameras tracks you speeding.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Image of Nevada State Patrol in hot pursuit:
>>>> http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-a.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Ticket already printed before stop:
>>>> http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-b.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Sate Patrol officer looks pretty huffed, see you in court:
>>>> http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-c.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Excuses like my throttle was stuck, my foot fell asleep or my tennis
>>>> shoe is made out cement will not fly in court these days since ED
>>>> doesn't lie.  Tell the truth and you may get off with a parking meter
>>>> violation even though there are no parking meters here in Laughlin,
>>>> Nevada.
>>>>
>>>> Be careful on these long meteorite hunting road trips if you do not want
>>>> see a ticket in the mail or worse yet a trooper who has the look of glee
>>>> on their face when they pull you over!
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>>
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