[meteorite-list] ureilite for sale

From: Graham Ensor <graham.ensor_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 02:48:03 +0100
Message-ID: <CAJkn+ka+oEFggCuSZAEdz7u-u6KwFGTobz1dAh=PT17sGbrGUg_at_mail.gmail.com>

I cannot see anything wrong with people at source offering material
they think might be a certain classification/meteorite...that's how
the market has worked for years and most of the big dealers have
gambled on buying that way...many many exciting meteorites have come
out of NWA and elswhere that way...this has always happened and will
not stop....it is just up to each individual to judge how reliable and
professional or amateur the source is and then to get the material
checked out professionally classified themselves before offering it
further. It is quite possible to make accurate judgments about a
possible classification with enough experience. On one hunting trip I
found 3 meteorites that stood out from the rest, identifying them in
the field as a possible Ureilite, a CV3 and an L3. All have since been
officially classified as exactly what was written down in the field
notes.

There will always be scammers, naive hopefuls and the delusioned but
they are usually easily spotted. It is obviously wise to buy properly
classified material from reputable dealers, especially when starting
out....but part of the later hobby/profession is the excitement of
taking a few gambles in order to find new or rarer material to be
studied that might add to science and meteoritics.

I'm sure, Anne, that you were very careful who you bought slices of
Chelyabinsk from for making thin sections.....but I doubt that those
actual individual samples had been classified and that you relied on
the word of the hunter who obtained them and your own visual judgement
that they were Chelyabinsk? Exactly as I did. There were tables full
of Chelyabinsk in Ensisheim....at least that's what we all thought
they were? ;-)

Graham

On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:20 AM, abdelfattah gharrad
<life19maroc at yahoo.fr> wrote:
> Thanks for your note.
> if someone has been cheated by me. he should say to everyone here. I have my reputation (Alhamdolillah).
> Sincerely,
> Abdelfattah.
>
>
>
> ----- Mail original -----
> De : Anne Black <impactika at aol.com>
> ? : bigjohnshea at yahoo.com; mike at meteoriteguy.com; life19maroc at yahoo.fr
> Cc : meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Envoy? le : Samedi 13 juillet 2013 19h19
> Objet : Re: [meteorite-list] ureilite for sale
>
> I agree entirely with you John.
>
> I see almost daily on the MetList people selling all kinds of rare
> classifications, not just ureilite, but also carbonaceous, like, just a
> few weeks ago, CM, CO, and even a CO3.2!! not just CO, or CO3, but
> CO3.2!!!!
> This is outrageous, and ridiculous. There is no way to tell a
> classification that precisely without a lab, an electron microprobe,
> and an expert meteoriticist reading the results.
> To me this is totally unacceptable, and I most certainly would not buy
> that. In fact I do not even buy without proper provenance!
> Maybe I am difficult, but I'd rather say that I am very careful, and I
> want to protect, not just me but my clients too.
>
> Anne M. Black
> www.IMPACTIKA.com
> IMPACTIKA at aol.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: john shea <bigjohnshea at yahoo.com>
> To: mike <mike at meteoriteguy.com>; life19maroc <life19maroc at yahoo.fr>;
> impactika <impactika at aol.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:55 am
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ureilite for sale
>
> Anne and list,
>
> This has always perplexed me.
> How man people make a claim of a classification, particularly a rare
> one, without classifying it? Then every time I ask them about price,
> they expect me to pay the going rate for that classification on ebay?
> It has never made sense to me, and frankly, it has kept me from wanting
> to buy more specimens of this sort, because I feel like my chances of
> being multiply.
> Hope you are all well.
> Cheers,
> John
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> From:
> Anne Black
> <impactika at aol.com>;
> To:
>
> <mike at meteoriteguy.com>; <life19maroc at yahoo.fr>;
>
> Cc:
>
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>;
>
> Subject:
> Re:
> [meteorite-list] ureilite for sale
> Sent:
> Sat, Jul 13, 2013
> 4:44:19 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Frankly I don't care who it is for sale to, what I want to know is:
>
> How do the seller know that it is a ureilite?
> Has it been classified?
> And by who?
>
> And No, I am certainly not buying without that information.
>
>
> Anne M. Black
> www.IMPACTIKA.com
> IMPACTIKA at aol.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
> To: abdelfattah gharrad <life19maroc at yahoo.fr>
> Cc: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:40 am
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ureilite for sale
>
>
> I received it so it was sent to me as we'll. it is just strange to not
> just say
> for sale. Why for sale to only certain people?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 13, 2013, at 12:24 PM, abdelfattah gharrad
> <life19maroc at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> ????!!!!
>>
>> My message was sent to people who like ureilite not you.
>>
>> or you had nothing to do.
>>
>> ----- Mail original -----
>> De : Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>> ? : abdelfattah gharrad <life19maroc at yahoo.fr>
>> Cc : "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Envoy? le : Samedi 13 juillet 2013 17h18
>> Objet : Re: [meteorite-list] ureilite for sale
>>
>> Why amateurs? Fake?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 13, 2013, at 12:16 PM, abdelfattah gharrad
> <life19maroc at yahoo.fr>
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> hello members list,
>>>
>>> amateurs interested to ureilite contact me please of list for
> pictures and
> price.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Abdelfattah.
>>>
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