[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

From: Bob King <nightsky55_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 20:59:48 -0600
Message-ID: <CAG5KyVnjp0suiRvHs008kB28dGyxZs-8_ettDZm0N-J87-b4ng_at_mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
"Unobserved fall" reminds me of "pre-owned car", a time-wasting,
dress-up term for "used car". Anything that causes confusion in
terminology should be avoided. "Unobserved" makes you stop for a
second and wonder ... huh? Of course we get the difference, but find
vs. fall is crystal clear. And second, my friend Fred Hall can't be
wrong.
Bob

On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 7:12 PM, <hall at meteorhall.com> wrote:
> An "unobserved fall" is two words to describe the one word that has
> been used for a century, "Find". The one word "Find" is good enough for
> the Catalogue of Meteorites, it was good enough for Harvey Nininger,
> and it is what I shall always use. Keep it concise.
> Regards, Fred Hall
>
>
>
> That would make sense for say New Orleans, where a stone went through a
>> house and no one in their right mind would suggest that it did not fall at
>> that time say between 8 am and 4 pm when there was no hole in the house,
>> yet it was not seen to fall.
>> An old rock found in a field does not suggest anything about fall date. So
>> it is a find, something never really argued against until now?
>> It has crust which can suggest it is not thousands of years old, most of
>> our Springwater meteorites have black and blue crust but nevertheless it
>> is a find.
>> Michael Farmer
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 4, 2013, at 10:28 AM, <valparint at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> An "unobserved fall" is, well, a fall that was not observed, in
>>> contradistinction to a fall that was observed. The terminology of the
>>> Meteoritical Bulletin Database is "Observed fall: no".
>>>
>>> The information being conveyed is NOT that the meteorite fell but that
>>> the fall was not observed.
>>>
>>> In general, the questions about falling and finding are:
>>>
>>> 1) was the fall observed?
>>> 2) if so, when was it observed?
>>> 3) if not, is there any guesstimate of when it fell?
>>> 4) regardless of weather it was observed or not, when was it actually
>>> found?
>>>
>>> Paul Swartz
>>> MPOD webmaster
>>>
>>>> What is an "unobserved fall"? Every meteorite fell at some point. I
>>>> have thousands of unobserved falls in my collection.
>>>> Michael Farmer
>>>>
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