[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

From: John Lutzon <jl_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 21:12:16 -0500
Message-ID: <2FEBAD278BC1459A802288B4E060D0D9_at_Home>

With all due respect,

1. Fall
2. Find

3. Observed fall
4. Unobserved fall

5. Observed find
6. Unobserved find

God bless all that we have to enjoy & study [before GPS] and the camel
jockey's and the everyday hunters! Refer to #6.

My vote is for #'s 1&2---Fall--Find

John L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mendy Ouzillou" <ouzillou at yahoo.com>
To: "Anne Black" <impactika at aol.com>; <hall at meteorhall.com>;
<mike at meteoriteguy.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; <valparint at aol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day


Logic versus accepted terminology versus practicality.


I like the conciseness of Fall versus Find - It's easier to fit and write on
a specimen card. :-)

An unobserved fall may never become a find.



Mendy Ouzillou


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> From: Anne Black <impactika at aol.com>
>To: hall at meteorhall.com; mike at meteoriteguy.com
>Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; valparint at aol.com
>Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 5:27 PM
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>Every single meteorite ever found on Earth is necessarily the result of
>a fall, they are not native to Earth. The only difference is that some
>falls are seen, witnessed, and some, the vast majoriry, are not.
>
>So calling them Observed or Unobserved falls is logical. That is what
>happened to all of them.
>That is simple reality.
>
>
>Anne M. Black
>www.IMPACTIKA.com
>IMPACTIKA at aol.com
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>-----Original Message-----
>tFrom: hall <hall at meteorhall.com>
>To: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>Cc: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; valparint
><valparint at aol.com>
>Sent: Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:13 pm
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>
>
> An "unobserved fall" is two words to describe the one word that has
>been used for a century, "Find". The one word "Find" is good enough for
>the Catalogue of Meteorites, it was good enough for Harvey Nininger,
>and it is what I shall always use. Keep it concise.
>Regards, Fred Hall
>
>
>
>That would make sense for say New Orleans, where a stone went through a
>> house and no one in their right mind would suggest that it did not
>fall at
>> that time say between 8 am and 4 pm when there was no hole in the
>house,
>> yet it was not seen to fall.
>> An old rock found in a field does not suggest anything about fall
>date. So
>> it is a find, something never really argued against until now?
>> It has crust which can suggest it is not thousands of years old, most
>of
>> our Springwater meteorites have black and blue crust but nevertheless
>it
>> is a find.
>> Michael Farmer
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 4, 2013, at 10:28 AM, <valparint at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> An "unobserved fall" is, well, a fall that was not observed, in
>>> contradistinction to a fall that was observed. The terminology of the
>>> Meteoritical Bulletin Database is "Observed fall: no".
>>>
>>> The information being conveyed is NOT that the meteorite fell but
>that
>>> the fall was not observed.
>>>
>>> In general, the questions about falling and finding are:
>>>
>>> 1) was the fall observed?
>>> 2) if so, when was it observed?
>>> 3) if not, is there any guesstimate of when it fell?
>>> 4) regardless of weather it was observed or not, when was it actually
>>> found?
>>>
>>> Paul Swartz
>>> MPOD webmaster
>>>
>>>> What is an "unobserved fall"? Every meteorite fell at some point. I
>>>> have thousands of unobserved falls in my collection.
>>>> Michael Farmer
>>>>
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