[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

From: Roman Jirasek <rj_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 20:34:50 -0500
Message-ID: <7A815E6EB2E44DC1ADF3E1BC4EB6B34D_at_RomansPC>

Maybe, but you can't put a date on an unobserved fall can you?
You can definitely put a date on a find.

Roman Jirasek
www.meteoritelabels.com



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From: "Anne Black" <impactika at aol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 8:27 PM
To: <hall at meteorhall.com>; <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; <valparint at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

> Every single meteorite ever found on Earth is necessarily the result of
> a fall, they are not native to Earth. The only difference is that some
> falls are seen, witnessed, and some, the vast majoriry, are not.
>
> So calling them Observed or Unobserved falls is logical. That is what
> happened to all of them.
> That is simple reality.
>
>
> Anne M. Black
> www.IMPACTIKA.com
> IMPACTIKA at aol.com
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> tFrom: hall <hall at meteorhall.com>
> To: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; valparint
> <valparint at aol.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
>
>
> An "unobserved fall" is two words to describe the one word that has
> been used for a century, "Find". The one word "Find" is good enough for
> the Catalogue of Meteorites, it was good enough for Harvey Nininger,
> and it is what I shall always use. Keep it concise.
> Regards, Fred Hall
>
>
>
> That would make sense for say New Orleans, where a stone went through a
>> house and no one in their right mind would suggest that it did not
> fall at
>> that time say between 8 am and 4 pm when there was no hole in the
> house,
>> yet it was not seen to fall.
>> An old rock found in a field does not suggest anything about fall
> date. So
>> it is a find, something never really argued against until now?
>> It has crust which can suggest it is not thousands of years old, most
> of
>> our Springwater meteorites have black and blue crust but nevertheless
> it
>> is a find.
>> Michael Farmer
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 4, 2013, at 10:28 AM, <valparint at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> An "unobserved fall" is, well, a fall that was not observed, in
>>> contradistinction to a fall that was observed. The terminology of the
>>> Meteoritical Bulletin Database is "Observed fall: no".
>>>
>>> The information being conveyed is NOT that the meteorite fell but
> that
>>> the fall was not observed.
>>>
>>> In general, the questions about falling and finding are:
>>>
>>> 1) was the fall observed?
>>> 2) if so, when was it observed?
>>> 3) if not, is there any guesstimate of when it fell?
>>> 4) regardless of weather it was observed or not, when was it actually
>>> found?
>>>
>>> Paul Swartz
>>> MPOD webmaster
>>>
>>>> What is an "unobserved fall"? Every meteorite fell at some point. I
>>>> have thousands of unobserved falls in my collection.
>>>> Michael Farmer
>>>>
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