[meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - "Diggers" episode Tonight NGC

From: Michael Farmer <mike_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 11:10:15 -0700
Message-ID: <036EAD90-0CF5-42A6-BC5E-5694510144E2_at_meteoriteguy.com>

Yes, I agree 100%.
And since this show was not about meteorites, perhaps we can drop the topic, though it does affect us in many ways. Meteorite and treasure hunting do overlap. It seems the dumbing down of America is complete. Paris Hilton is laughing all the way to the bank.
Michael Farmer

On Aug 29, 2013, at 11:04 AM, "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" <meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Discovery, Learning Channel, and A&E are wastelands of tripe now. I
> remember when TLC had "learning" on it. I remember when Discovery was
> about science. I remember when A&E had "arts" on it. Now it's Dog
> the Bounty Hunter and Pawn Stars. The networks are giving people what
> they apparently want - and that is a trainwreck of rednecks acting out
> contrived situations and scripted dialogue. Even the Smithsonian
> channel is getting a little dodgy.
>
> I see commercials on Smithsonian and Nat Geo for worthless
> "binoculars" that aren't worth 10 cents and they claim to be the best
> optical bargain on the planet - the choice of sportsmen around the
> world! (Order now and get a second set of useless pseudo-binoculars
> for just processing and handling!) - Any network with an ounce of
> scientific integrity (or any integrity) would refuse those
> advertisements - but that would mean turning away easy money from
> advertisers with deep pockets. The same goes for their print
> magazines - they should be ashamed of themselves for pushing worthless
> junk on their readers and viewers.
>
> I take everything I see on these channels with a block of salt.
>
> Well, these diggers and pickers have gotten more discussion time than
> they are worth. I vote for ending this thread and putting it into
> File 13.
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
>
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> On 8/29/13, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com> wrote:
>> I guess I am just not in tune with the dreamers out there. It could have
>> been Napoleon's powder horn as well, but it wasn't and so pretending that it
>> might have been is dumb. Sorry to be so hard on your buddies, but this show
>> sucks, and it makes those of us who carry a metal detector look like
>> buffoons. Why am I not entitled to voice my opinion? I guess you only want
>> to hear about happy things, little puppies and "Hannibal Nectar's" lost
>> razor blade:)
>> Yes, Nat Geo channel sucks too, showing this crap. It makes me want to stop
>> donating money to the organization, clearly they have plenty to produce this
>> garbage.
>>
>> Michael Farmer
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Aug 29, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Michael Mulgrew <mikestang at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Michael Farmer, why is posing a "could be" statement stupid? They say
>>> "could be" because those things "could be" true. They're probably
>>> not, but it's fun to hypothesize and use your imagination. You could
>>> be an asshole, but I don't know you other than what you write to this
>>> list. The only stupid thing I see here is grown men getting their
>>> panties in a bunch over an entertaining TV show. Write a letter to
>>> the producers and express your displeasure. It "could be" that you do
>>> not understand how television production works. Maybe you would enjoy
>>> some of NatGeo's other fine programming, such as Doomsday Castle,
>>> American Chainsaw, Are You Tougher Than a Boy Scout, Beast Hunter,
>>> Family Beef, or Chasing UFOs?
>>>
>>> And no, I do not think the BLM's meteorite memo had anything to do
>>> with what happened on a cable television show. Last I checked the
>>> Federal Government does not use television shows as a basis for
>>> official policy. It is much more likely that their policies were a
>>> result of real-world conflicts that happened on BLM land with real
>>> life meteorite hunters and recent falls that occurred just prior to
>>> the policy having been drafted. But wait, your conjecture is a "could
>>> be" statement, too. Such a vicious circle.
>>>
>>> Michael in so. Cal.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> It is just really stupid to say that "this could be Kitt Carson's powder
>>>> horn" or "Nectar Hannibal's razor-blade". This is entertainment for the
>>>> lowest end of the spectrum. It belongs on MTV after Real World, not on
>>>> National Geographic. I want the hour I wasted last night back! I would
>>>> have been better off looking for scorpions in my backyard than watching
>>>> this phony drivel.
>>>> I also love metal detecting, gold mining, and meteorite hunting, Ive done
>>>> them all, successfully.
>>>> These shows are so contrived, so fake, so over the top full of crap that
>>>> they are destroying these hobbies. Why do you think the BLM suddenly
>>>> focused on meteorites and shut down collecting unless you go through
>>>> years of paperwork? Could it be the idiotic prices quoted on certain
>>>> shows telling people they could make thousands on every fragment of rock
>>>> picked up?
>>>> Michael Farmer
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 29, 2013, at 9:09 AM, "Bob Loeffler" <bloeffler at peaktopeak.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I hate most of the reality TV shows that have been on for the last 20
>>>>> years
>>>>> or so, but I do end up watching Diggers, Prospectors, Meteorite Men and
>>>>> Gold
>>>>> Rush every now and then because they are all related to my favorite
>>>>> hobbies
>>>>> (digging for mineral crystals, meteorites and cool old stuff). Yes,
>>>>> they
>>>>> are extremely over-hyped by the producers, but they are just
>>>>> entertainment.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I think Diggers is the least over-to-top when it comes to how much
>>>>> something can be worth. In one of the episodes this week, they found a
>>>>> really old button (possibly from the late 1700s) and they said it was
>>>>> worth
>>>>> around $15. If that was on Meteorite Men or Prospectors, they would've
>>>>> added two more zeros to the end of that number! I have seen 5 or 6
>>>>> episodes
>>>>> of Diggers and they have never priced anything more than $100 that I
>>>>> can
>>>>> remember. Although I don't know what most historical items should be
>>>>> priced
>>>>> at, I've agreed with the pricing from an outsider's point of view.
>>>>> Would I
>>>>> pay $50 for a 150-year-old belt buckle in pretty good condition that
>>>>> might've been worn by Kit Carson or Billie the Kid? Sure! Would I pay
>>>>> $500? Heck no... unless there was really good evidence that one of them
>>>>> DID
>>>>> wear it. So I think a lot of the pricing on Diggers is not too far from
>>>>> a
>>>>> reasonable amount. A few items that they have found in past episodes
>>>>> had
>>>>> lower prices than I had expected, things that I thought were kind of
>>>>> cool
>>>>> looking, so I was actually PROUD of the producers for "doing the right
>>>>> thing" and not putting a hefty price tag on them.
>>>>>
>>>>> The guys on Diggers are really goofy, but that's the nature of the
>>>>> beast
>>>>> (i.e. TV shows). They are annoying, but seem like good guys out having
>>>>> fun,
>>>>> doing what they love to do. Just like Geoff and Steve on MM.
>>>>> Sometimes
>>>>> annoying, but we still love them on their show. And like Michael
>>>>> Mulgrew
>>>>> said, the Diggers guys don't keep what they find. I agree with others
>>>>> that
>>>>> they really should do more explaining on each episode (e.g. "we got
>>>>> permission to dig here, make sure you get permission to dig wherever
>>>>> you
>>>>> go") and dig their holes/flaps correctly to prevent erosion, dead
>>>>> grass,
>>>>> etc. I'm sure they fill in their holes, so I wouldn't worry about
>>>>> someone
>>>>> (or an animal) breaking their leg by stepping in a hole after these
>>>>> guys
>>>>> leave.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just went to the Diggers website
>>>>> (http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/diggers/) and saw this:
>>>>>
>>>>> "As the show's production archaeologist Kate Culpepper ensures that
>>>>> Diggers
>>>>> adheres to the strict standards of ethical metal detecting, and that
>>>>> the
>>>>> historical value of artifacts and local sites isn't compromised in any
>>>>> way."
>>>>> So there is probably more to all of this than what we see on the show.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Bob L.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Michael
>>>>> Farmer
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:05 PM
>>>>> To: Michael Mulgrew
>>>>> Cc: Meteorite List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - "Diggers" episode Tonight
>>>>> NGC
>>>>>
>>>>> Jesus Christ, this show is horrible, I cant even believe that the Nat
>>>>> Geo
>>>>> channel has sunk so low.
>>>>> Yeah, a crushed thimble worth $15! Good luck on getting a nickel out of
>>>>> anything these morons find. It is sad to see these reality shows sink
>>>>> so
>>>>> low.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Farmer
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 28, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Michael Mulgrew <mikestang at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam and list,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Far be it from me to defend anything on tv, but I do know (first hand,
>>>>>> from the "Diggers" themselves) that they do not keep anything they
>>>>>> find, it all goes to the land owners, and that their goofy terms have
>>>>>> roots in the DVDs these guys originally made years ago and are used
>>>>>> solely for entertainment purposes, i.e. another over-produced aspect
>>>>>> of a cable television show. You and all other treasure hunters know
>>>>>> that these terms are fake, but that's ok because those terms aren't
>>>>>> for you, they're for the general public at home who know nothing about
>>>>>> treasure hunting and get a kick out of two wack-ohs running around and
>>>>>> getting crazy when they find something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any time anyone's passion/hobby is portrayed on a tv show, the "real
>>>>>> world" practitioners are going to be affronted; these are not the
>>>>>> target audiences for these types of shows. If I was the worlds
>>>>>> greatest nose picker and someone made a show about picking noses I'm
>>>>>> sure it would be portrayed all wrong and ruin nose picking for all of
>>>>>> us elite and dedicated Pickers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So enjoy these shows for what they are, entertainment; they are not
>>>>>> meant to be taken seriously. Mainstream network news
>>>>>> (ABC/NBC/FOX/CNN/etc.) is just as fake and staged as all of these
>>>>>> shows, and I view it in the same light.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael in so. Cal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Yep, Glorieta will be the next area permanently off limits. These
>>>>>>> guys
>>>>> on Diggers are an embarrassment to the treasure hunting community.
>>>>> Treasure
>>>>> hunting club members that I stay in touch with cringe every episode
>>>>> knowing
>>>>> that these guys violate the rules and are ruining it for everybody
>>>>> else.
>>>>> The Cascade Treasure Hunting Club reminds its members that these guys
>>>>> are
>>>>> just rogue entertainers and that they are not real treasure hunters who
>>>>> tend
>>>>> to keep their finds to themselves or only share them with other club
>>>>> members.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lets go find some "Nectar" , "Juice" and "Roundness", baby talk terms
>>>>> used on the show that no real treasure hunter would get caught dead
>>>>> using in
>>>>> the field!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adam
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