[meteorite-list] [SPAM]Re: Novato update (All recent falls unapproved, not just Novato)

From: Greg Hupé <gmhupe_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:37:31 -0400
Message-ID: <7DB510C6349744E5978F2E1AA8FBAE65_at_Gregor>

I think the sample is still floating around in that 'blimp'... ;-/


-----Original Message-----
From: MEM
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 9:31 PM
To: Greg Hup? ; Robert Verish ; Galactic Stone & Ironworks
Cc: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update (All recent falls
unapproved, not just Novato)



Why is Jennskins--who can't even identify a meteorite-- doing destructive
testing? What destructive testing can he be doing at a lab not even set up
to do petrology? What interest does SETI have in meteorites? This is yet
more waste, fraud, and abuse. What possible testing needs be done on this
small TKW fall? Oh let me guess he is doing terrestrial dating? There is
still something seriously wrong about this entire saga.


Elton



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> From: Greg Hup? <gmhupe at centurylink.net>
>To: Robert Verish <bolidechaser at yahoo.com>; Galactic Stone & Ironworks
><meteoritemike at gmail.com>
>Cc: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 9:03 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update (All recent falls unapproved,
>not just Novato)
>
>
>re: 'Navato'
>
>To repeat a comment I made to a Facebook thread that parallels this one...
>
>"It would seem to me that the more accurate "Type Sample" amount IS the
>entire 29 grams ['donated' by Lisa Webber and Glenn Rivera]!! Obviously
>some
>material is eaten up for analysis so the only hold up for official name is
>for SETI to hand over what is left over of the 29 gram 'Type Sample' that
>was [most generously] donated by Lisa Webber and Glenn Rivera. Kudos to
>Lisa
>and Glenn!!!"
>
>I personally see no need for other to chop up the few stones that were
>found
>from this fall because of some 'confusion'!!! (I did not hunt Navato so I
>have no personal fight here other than give credit to the 'owners' of the
>29
>gram original stone!!)
>
>Best Regards,
>Greg
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert Verish
>Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 8:50 PM
>To: Galactic Stone & Ironworks
>Cc: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update (All recent falls
>unapproved,not
>just Novato)
>
>Very good post, Michael.
>
>And thanks for making my point - if Novato is already classified (L6 br),
>you would like to update your database and fill out labels with an
>officially approved name. How long of a delay and why is there a delay?
>
>-- Bob V.
>http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com/msg108950.html
>
>
>--- On Tue, 4/30/13, Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update (All recent falls unapproved,
>> not just Novato)
>> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 2:51 PM
>>
>> Hi List,
>>
>> I wasn't pointing fingers or trying to refer specifically to
>> Novato.
>> I may have come off that way, I am afraid. I meant in
>> general with
>> all falls, and this recent mention of Novato jogged my
>> memory about
>> the recent spate of unapproved falls. I had meant to
>> post to the List
>> a couple of weeks ago about this same issue, but I got
>> side-tracked
>> and forgot. The Novato discussion reminded me.
>> I'll post something
>> to the List to that effect.
>>
>> My main goal is the same as most - to see Novato
>> classified.
>> Regardless of who found what or who has what specimen, I'd
>> just like
>> to see it in the Met Bull and in MAPS journals. That
>> won't happen
>> until the kink in the hose is worked out, so to speak.
>> As was pointed
>> out - look how quickly Battle Mountain got
>> approved. Novato fell
>> over a densely populated urban area, Battle Mountain fell
>> over
>> underpopulated BLM land. Both are OC's. Why so
>> quick with one and
>> not the other? Same with that Alabama fall (Addison?)
>> - another
>> stoppage in the pipeline somewhere.
>>
>> We need to encourage people to come forward and get finds
>> classified,
>> and not make it more difficult. If we publicly nitpick
>> and clobber
>> people for not handling the classification properly, then it
>> will make
>> others reluctant to come forward. We should be
>> positive and say -
>> look, who cares why it took so long for this particular
>> fall, let's
>> just be happy it is getting done now. Everybody still
>> wins.
>>
>> Some of us collectors are the nitpickers. I want
>> something official
>> to put on my labels for my falls collection. I have no
>> dog in this
>> fight other than science.
>>
>> Best regards and happy huntings for all,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > --- On Tue, 4/30/13, Galactic Stone & Ironworks
>> <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update
>> >> To: "Michael Farmer" <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>> >> Cc: "Alan Rubin" <aerubin at ucla.edu>,
>> "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral"
>> >> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>,
>> "Matson, Robert D."
>> >> <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>,
>> "Robert Verish" <bolidechaser at yahoo.com>
>> >> Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 12:24 PM
>> >>
>> >> Agreed, somebody needs to cough up a
>> >> piece to consolidate the type
>> >> specimen and satisfy the requirements for
>> publication in the
>> >> Met Bulletin. That is how it should be.
>> Until such a
>> >> specimen is analyzed, submitted, and approved,
>> >> it is not a meteorite, it is a rock
>> >> that is suspected to be a meteorite. Giving
>> it any
>> >> unofficial name
>> >> does not make it a meteorite, unless that name is
>> approved
>> >> by NonCom.
>> >>
>> >> Everybody wins when the specimen is classified and
>> approved
>> >> via an
>> >> open, transparent, and "official" manner.
>> >>
>> >> There are too many falls that are not approved
>> yet.
>> >> Going back to the
>> >> year 2000, there are seventeen (17) falls that are
>> not
>> >> officially
>> >> approved yet. They come from all corners of
>> the world
>> >> and some are
>> >> very well documented, but have not been approved
>> for various
>> >> reasons.
>> >> For example, someone earlier mentioned that Canada
>> does not
>> >> drag it's
>> >> feet on classifications and would simply buy the
>> type
>> >> specimen. Well,
>> >> there is the Montney fall from 2005 that is lost
>> somewhere
>> >> in the
>> >> system. Canada is usually pretty quick, but
>> why hasn't
>> >> Montney been
>> >> approved? Is there doubt about the fall in
>> some way,
>> >> or is it a
>> >> problem similar to Novato where it is a bonafide
>> fall but
>> >> has not been
>> >> approved for logistical reasons?
>> >>
>> >> Collectors and probably some scientists are eager
>> for a few
>> >> recent
>> >> falls to become approved. Until these
>> meteorites are
>> >> approved, they
>> >> cannot be published in most peer-reviewed
>> journals.
>> >> And until they
>> >> are approved, there will always be an element of
>> reluctance
>> >> on the
>> >> behalf of some collectors.
>> >>
>> >> Zunhua? No doubt there. Penetrated a
>> house and
>> >> was documented
>> >> thoroughly. Why hasn't this one been
>> classified
>> >> yet? What are the
>> >> Chinese waiting on? Nobody else outside China
>> will
>> >> submit it for
>> >> classification because it is a scientific courtesy,
>> so will
>> >> it remain
>> >> in limbo forever because .... ?
>> >>
>> >> Katol? It's distinctive and on the market.
>> >> Again, there is no doubt
>> >> that it is a fall. Let's hope GSI submits it
>> so it can
>> >> be published.
>> >> Collectors want to know. It may be a
>> meteorite that is
>> >> interesting to
>> >> science as well.
>> >>
>> >> Draveil? What's the hold up on this one?
>> >>
>> >> Oslo?
>> >>
>> >> The list -
>> >>
>> >> Jan 15, 2013 - "Planeta Rica" (unofficial)
>> (ordinary
>> >> chondrite?) : Colombia
>> >> Feb 11, 2012 - "Huangzhong/Xining" (unofficial)
>> (L6
>> >> chondrite?) : China
>> >> Mar 01, 2012 - "Oslo" (unofficial) (ordinary
>> chondrite?) :
>> >> Norway (Hammer)
>> >> May 03, 2012 - "Diplo" (unofficial) (ordinary
>> chondrite?) :
>> >> Pakistan
>> >> May 22, 2012 - "Katol" (unofficial) (achondrite) :
>> India
>> >> (Hammer)
>> >> Jun 03, 2012 - "Comayagua" (unofficial) (ordinary
>> chondrite)
>> >> : Honduras (Hammer)
>> >> Jul 08, 2012 - "Jalangi" (unofficial) (ordinary
>> chondrite?)
>> >> : India
>> >> Oct 12, 2012 - "Beni Yacoub" (unofficial)
>> (ordinary
>> >> chondrite?) : Morocco
>> >> Oct 17, 2012 - "Novato" (unofficial) (L6 chondrite)
>> :
>> >> California USA(Hammer)
>> >> Oct 30, 2012 - "Addison" (unofficial) (ordinary
>> chondrite?)
>> >> : Alabama USA
>> >> Dec 16, 2012 - "Algeria" (unofficial) (LL
>> chondrite?) :
>> >> Algeria
>> >> Jul 11-12, 2011 - "Draveil/Essonne?" (unofficial)
>> (H
>> >> chondrite?) :
>> >> France (Hammer)
>> >> May 01, 2010 - "Breja/Taouz" (unofficial) (LL6
>> chondrite?) :
>> >> Morocco/Algeria
>> >> Mar 01, 2009 - "Cartersville" (unofficial)
>> (ordinary
>> >> chondrite) :
>> >> Georgia USA (Hammer)
>> >> Apr 12, 2008 - "Zunhua" (unofficial) (L4
>> chondrite?) : China
>> >> (Hammer)
>> >> Sep 07, 2007 - Guadalajara (L or LL3 chondrite?) :
>> Mexico
>> >> (Hammer)
>> >> Jul 17, 2005 - "Montney" (H6 chondrite?) : Canada
>> (Hammer)
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >>
>> >> MikeG
>> >>
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