[meteorite-list] Novato update

From: Richard Montgomery <rickmont_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:20:19 -0700
Message-ID: <05412731C34441389EC2E29699B5419C_at_bosoheadPC>

One of the stones from this find was "lent" to the NASA team, with an open
mind and naivte perhaps; a situation that definitely shook her by total
surprise and dismay, when another finder of another stone offered a
perspective. She wasn't pleased to learn that she may never see it again.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Verish" <bolidechaser at yahoo.com>
To: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update


Thanks Rob,
for clearing the air and getting this thread back on track.
And now that the dust has settled, we're back to my original concern:

Why do we have to wait for just the name to be approved?

Here is the question I am posing to the List, stated another way:

If everyone is in agreement with the Jenniskins arrangement, then why can't
the Committee credit UCLA for the type specimen and move forward with
approving at least the name "Novato" (if need be, at least provisionally)? I
mean, what is the difference whether the type specimen goes first to UCLA,
then goes to NASA, or vice-versa? I mean, for goodness sake, it's NASA we're
talking about here.

Why do we have to wait for the results from the consortium before we know
the approved name of this meteorite?
I mean, we didn't even have a consensus classification for Sutter's Mill,
but that name still got approved! We didn't have to wait for the results of
the consortium, then. Why now?

But before I conclude, allow me to state several things
FOR THE RECORD:

Contrary to any unfounded assertions that may get printed on this List,
there is no "problem" getting type-specimens from finders to researchers:

There were 8 Sutter's Mill finds donated from finders & property owners.
The name "Sutter's Mill" was approved BEFORE a classification could be
agreed upon and long before the consortium published their results.

There were 2 Battle Mountain specimens voluntarily donated by finders to
researchers. The name "Battle Mountain" was approved 30 days after the fall.
What delay?

Other US falls with "no problems" getting type-specimens:
Mifflin, Lorton, Whetstone Mtns, Ash Creek - no delays in name approval.

Finders of the "Novato" meteorite were making arrangements to submit type
specimens to researchers, prior to Jenniskins announcement to the Press that
he was submitting the Webber stone as a type specimen. Days after his
announcement is when I finally made my Novato find, and at that time I never
dreamt we would be having this discussion in 2013. If it becomes necessary,
I am prepared (as are other finders) to submit a type specimen to UCLA. But
not until we all have been given a proper explanation.

-- Bob V.


--- On Mon, 4/29/13, Matson, Robert D. <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com> wrote:

> From: Matson, Robert D. <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Novato update
> To: "Pat Brown" <scientificlifestyle at hotmail.com>, "Jim Wooddell"
> <jim.wooddell at suddenlink.net>, "Met List"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Monday, April 29, 2013, 8:51 PM
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've been informed by one of the Novato finders that this is
> a non-issue.
> Dr. Jenniskens has long-since pledged to donate more
> than adequate Novato type specimen to UCLA for it to be
> approved by the Nomenclature Committee. That it hasn't happened
> already is simply because Dr. Jenniskens wished to ensure that all
> academic requests for meteoritical material were handled promptly.
> 29 grams
> of the first recovered stone were generously donated by Lisa
> Webber to SETI for scientific analysis; of that, whatever is not
> consumed
> in destructive analyses has been promised to UCLA.
> So there is no cause for alarm; people just need to be patient.
> --Rob
>
>
On Apr 30, 2013, at 4:32 AM, Robert Verish <bolidechaser at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Actually, it's still the "Novato" (provisional) meteorite.
> It still is not in the Meteoritical Bulletin.
>
> This is the slice that Brien Cook originally cut with the intention of
> submitting it to UCLA. But when he read that someone else was going to
> supply the type-specimen, he then placed it on eBay.
>
> It would be nice if some Institute or consortium would make an offer and
> try to repatriate this slice and make it a type-specimen so that this
> US-fall could finally be made "official". All I'm saying is, this
> "leaving an official-status hanging-in-mid-air" would never happen in
> Canada. They would just simply buy the type-specimen.
>
> It's time for the US to catch-up with Canada. It's time for a change.
> Bob V.


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