[meteorite-list] Uh! Oh!

From: Count Deiro <countdeiro_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 19:54:44 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Message-ID: <10633983.1366340084734.JavaMail.root_at_wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hallo Martin,

I said meteorite to him and the answer was "no". I don't want to call attention to myself by asking for a further clarification. My feeling is that he would take offense at my having the impudence (Frechheit) to quote his own laws to him.

Alles bestes

Guido



-----Original Message-----
>From: Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
>Sent: Apr 18, 2013 12:14 PM
>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Uh! Oh!
>
>Hi Count,
>
>maybe you could ask the consul again, to give you the respective law?
>
>Decisive is the Law No. 2863 of July 21, 1983 on Conservation of Cultural and Natural Property (as last amended by Law No. 5835 of February 4, 2009 and Law No. 5917 of June 25, 2009)
>
>Here it is in English version:
>http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/text.jsp?file_id=249359
>
>It definitely has no meteorites in the catalogue-articles, where all kind of object-categories are explicitly named.
>
>Neither cover the definitions of "cultural property" nor "natural property", given in Chapter 1, Art. 3a) 1)&2)
>Meteorites in general, but would need an interpretation by a court.
>E.g. a find of H5 could perhaps not be regarded "unique" (nor being of beauty, if it's W3, hehe).
>
>And even if covered, if purchased from a dealer with the right license, they could be exported like antiquities in such cases too.
>
>On the other side, rocks are per se not "o.k." see the definition of "natural property".
>
>
>Best,
>Martin
>
>
>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Count Deiro
>Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. April 2013 20:31
>An: Anne Black; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Uh! Oh!
>
>Dear Anne,
>
>In reading the story, the two suspected artifacts are described in the body of the article.
>
>I have contacted the Turkish Cultural and Economic Affairs office in Los Angeles, California and His Excellency, Ayd?n Topcu, Consul General for Turkey, informs me that the collection of meteorites for removal from Turkey is forbidden under law and that there is no permit process.
>
>So "rocks" ok...other things not.
>
>Cordially,
>
>Count Deiro
>IMCA 3536
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Anne Black <impactika at aol.com>
>>Sent: Apr 18, 2013 11:09 AM
>>To: countdeiro at earthlink.net, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Uh! Oh!
>>
>>Sorry, but this does not add up.
>>I have been to Turkey twice, beautiful country, very friendly people. I
>>have bought minerals, some multi-colored marbles, picked up some blue
>>serpentine on the side of the road, and had no problem at all bringing
>>them back.
>>I also visited many archaeological sites, but I certainly would never
>>pick up anything there.
>>
>>I wonder what his "stones" look like!
>>
>>
>>Anne M. Black
>>www.IMPACTIKA.com
>>IMPACTIKA at aol.com
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Count Deiro <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
>>To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>Sent: Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:48 am
>>Subject: [meteorite-list] Uh! Oh!
>>
>>
>>Hello Listees,
>>
>>Take a look at how Turkey is handling "rock collectors". And this one a
>>tourist!
>>
>>
>>http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22013551/us-tourist-faces-jail-in-turkey-f
>>or-collecting-beach-stones#axzz2QpOTN1Sq
>>
>>"It will never be he same."
>>
>>Count Deiro
>>IMCA 3536 MetSoc
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