[meteorite-list] Roadside Hunting and Ownership

From: Michael Mulgrew <mikestang_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 10:59:52 -0700
Message-ID: <CAMseTy0H5NW+8z4tH3V2tZkt1jPLX5Eb8DLr3YnA7Opr_baEHQ_at_mail.gmail.com>

Thinking about this again, regardless of co-operating land management
agreements, the right-of-way in question would still be owned by the
State, so I believe that the BLM's policy would still not apply. Does
this sound correct?

Michael in so. Cal.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Michael Mulgrew <mikestang at gmail.com> wrote:
> Count Deiro and list,
>
> Really? Well I guess I learned my new thing for the day and I can go home! :)
>
> I've never come across anything like the Count described before, I am
> assuming it's only practiced in remote rural locations? Now my
> curiosity have been sparked, as state departments of transportaion are
> typically VERY protective of their right-of-ways, a case can be made
> for them being more stringent than the BLM in several regards. Even
> my boss, who had double my years of experience, had never heard of
> this. I would love to see a specific example, time to do some
> research!
>
> Best,
> Michael in so. Cal.
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Count Deiro <countdeiro at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Dear List,
>>
>> Michael has said that BLM does not manage any federal or state right of way
>> systems. That information may be partially, or completely, incorrect. The
>> BLM has co-operating land management agreements with federal, state and
>> county right of way owners in most western states, Nevada, as an example and
>> DOES manage the land under those right of ways and it's uses.
>>
>> My source is the BLM:
>>
>> Las Vegas Field Office
>> 4701 North Torrey Pines Drive
>> Las Vegas, NV 89130
>> Phone: 702-515-5000
>> Fax: 702-515-5023
>> Office hours: 7:30 am-4:30 pm, M-F
>> Field Manager: Bob Ross
>> Email: lvfoweb at blm.gov
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Count Deiro
>>
>> IMCA 3536
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Michael Mulgrew
>>>Sent: Oct 3, 2012 9:55 AM
>>>To: Meteorite List
>>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Roadside Hunting and Ownership
>>>
>>>Brian and List,
>>>
>>>I am a practicing Civil Engineer and have a lot of experience with
>>>road right-of-ways. Generally the right-of-way for Federal highways
>>>are owned by the State through which they pass. States acquire the
>>>right-of-way and build the highways and then can apply for the
>>>acceptance into the Federal system, but sometimes for cost and other
>>>reasons only part of a highway may be introduced into the Federal
>>>system (such as the recent extension of I-210/SR-210 in southern
>>>California). The rural road example you give would be one where an
>>>easement for access across private land has been granted for purposes
>>>of road construction, operation, and maintenance. In the case you
>>>cite the easement probably only extends from edge of pavement to edge
>>>of pavement, thus the ditch is considered private. Ownership of road
>>>rights-of-way should be discoverable at your local County offices.
>>>
>>>The BLM does not manage right-of-ways with the Federal or any of the
>>>State systems, so this new BLM policy would not apply to finds made
>>>there. Finds made there would technically belong to the people of the
>>>State in which it was found, and that State's individual rules should
>>>apply.
>>>
>>>Best,
>>>Michael in so. Cal.
>>>
>>>On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Brian Burrer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Greetings List,
>>>>
>>>> I have been following with interest the recent chatter concerning BLM
>>>> regulations; questions arise in my mind concerning roadside
>>>> recoveries.
>>>> I would guess that ownership of the find could vary widely depending
>>>> on what roadside it was found on.
>>>> Rural county roads in Texas are typically privately owned; the land
>>>> under the road is owned by individuals who pay taxes on it just like
>>>> the rest of their land. The road is public but the bar-ditch is
>>>> private; ownership clearly falls to the landowner.
>>>> But what about state and federal highway margins; this is not
>>>> typically (maybe ever) BLM land so what rules apply?
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