[meteorite-list] missed opportunity (was, Re: NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds)

From: Norm Lehrman <nlehrman_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 21:44:51 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <1351917891.29347.YahooMailRC_at_web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Greg & all,

Whew!? That is really bad news.? I was beginning to think Jenniskens was a good
guy.?

What would his?Sutter's Mill database look like if we eliminated all but the
academics?? Rogue private meteorite hunters made it happen.? So sad.

Jenniskens, if you are reading this, let's hear your defense.? We all understand
misquotes.? Is this one?? I surely hope so.? If not, your stock just went to
zero.

Cheers,
Norm?



----- Original Message ----
From: Greg Hup? <gmhupe at centurylink.net>
To: Robert Verish <bolidechaser at yahoo.com>; Jodie Reynolds
<spacerocks at spaceballoon.org>
Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Fri, November 2, 2012 7:57:09 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] missed opportunity (was, Re: NASA SETI
Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds)

Bob,

I respect your 'protected' stance on this subject, however when you say this was
a, "missed opportunity [for outreach]...", was in fact part of Jennisken's grand
plan as quoted in the article and stated by the 'private citizen' getting the
'free ride' on "The Blimp". I will quote here for one's direct assessment...

"Jenniskens invited Rivera to join him and another scientist on the airship ride
over Novato and parts of unincorporated Sonoma County, following the trajectory
of the Oct. 17 fireball. Rivera said he took an oath not to tell what they saw
for fear that rogue meteorite hunters ? eager to sell galactic collectibles on
eBay ? might pounce on new potential meteorite locations and rob scientists'
ability to research more rocks."

I personally take issue with his entire paragraph! It insults the dedication
from us, "rogue [private] meteorite hunters", actual meteorite scientists and
the average enthusiast at large! What a slap in the face from an media-hungry
astrologer to make against us who have committed our lives to the world of real
meteorite recovery, science and sharing through the expansion of actual
knowledge to the entire world! We, as private citizens, have donated more to the
study and knowledge of meteoritics than anyone really knows. Most contributions
are made by private individuals who donate because they can and want to without
the hype or the huge mug shot photo opp!!

It scares me to think that an individual who is not even knowledgeable about the
most simplistic aspects of a meteorite is out there representing our national
treasure, NASA! What a let down if this rogue astrologer is allowed to continue
his personal slime campaign against the private sector!! Shame, shame!!

Best Regards,
Greg

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-----Original Message----- From: Robert Verish
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 6:41 PM
To: Greg Hup? ; Jodie Reynolds
Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: missed opportunity (was, Re: NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer
Funds)

Hello All,

Given that it was a "free ride", I think Petrus missed an obvious outreach
opportunity.? BEFORE the airship took off, he should have submitted articles to
the Sonoma County newspapers soliciting the local residents to look for black
space-rocks in their yards and driveways.? Mention could have been made in
advance that an airship would be incorporated in the search effort. Would make
an interesting article for the local papers.? The airship flying over Sonoma
would have been free advertising for meteorite recovery.
We've done a good job of saturating the media in Marin County, but nothing
directed towards Sonoma residents.
We need to stretch the strewn-field into Sonoma County and we're going to need a
lot of cooperation from the residents.
Bob V.

--- On Fri, 11/2/12, Jodie Reynolds <spacerocks at spaceballoon.org> wrote:

> From: Jodie Reynolds <spacerocks at spaceballoon.org>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds
> To: "Greg Hup?" <gmhupe at centurylink.net>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 3:05 PM
> Hello Greg and List!
>
> It was my understanding that the airship rides were
> contributed.? Is
> there reliable information that they're plunking down
> NASA-dollars
> for that?? Because I agree - that'd be pretty
> criminal.
>
> Believe me, no one could possibly be any crankier about
> misappropriation of tax-payer dollars than I!? I just
> want to make
> sure we string up the "right ones".
>
>
> --- Jodie
>
> Friday, November 2, 2012, 1:10:15 PM, you wrote:
>
> > To All Concerned US Tax Payers...
>
> > I have been troubled by what is a clear
> misappropriation of US tax payer
> > funds by NASA/SETI. At a time of this country's
> financial crisis, this is no
> > time to squander our tax dollars!!
>
> > We have all seen and read about 'The Blimp" that was,
> as stated in the
> > article link below, "... a NASA-hired airship." Not
> only are they using a
> > privately owned "Blimp" for frivolous and far-fetched
> 'research', but they
> > are also giving free joy rides to private citizens as
> stated from the
> > article, "Glenn Rivera [a private citizen] was invited
> by astronomers
> > [NASA/SETI] to hunt for more meteorite crash-landing
> sites from a NASA-hired
> > airship."
>
> > In recent conversations, I and many of my colleagues
> and some NASA
> > scientists (who wish to remain anonymous), have all
> concluded that finding
> > meteorites [of any size] is completely impossible and a
> waste of tax payer
> > dollars! How can one think you can spot a black rock
> the size of a dime, a
> > golf ball or even a basketball from an altitude of 1000
> feet?
>
> > The only entity that benefits from these dream hunts is
> the private company
> > who owns "The Blimp". They get paid by NASA for use of
> "The Blimp" and they
> > also benefit from all of the free advertising with
> their logos and web
> > addresses emblazoned on the sides of "The Blimp"!
>
> > As far as I am concerned, hunting for meteorites
> floating in the sky is full
> > of hot air!
>
> > Here is the link the the article I reference:
> >
>http://novato.patch.com/articles/hunt-goes-on-for-more-meteorites#photo-12000260
>
> > Best Regards,
> > Greg
>
> > ====================
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