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From: Shawn Alan <photophlow_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 22:05:52 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <1337058352.13754.YahooMailNeo_at_web160103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I?am going to say my words and leave it at that on this Hammer Fall Stone Fall Hammer man made hitting meteorite definition....

As for the Hammer Stone Fall phase, I guess I did morph it by accident from Michael Bloods phase which is Hammer Fall, for some reason I thought he used Hammer Stone Fall but I checked and its worded as Hammer Fall when a stone from the fall hits a man made object. The Sutter's Mill meteorite fall is a Hammer Fall because one of the stones from that fall hit a man made object. That stone that hit the man made object is called a Hammer Stone, and I can see the confusion and thats why I changed it to Hammer Fall.?So by? Michael's?definition when a meteorite hits a man made object that meteorite fall is?a METEORITE HAMMER FALL.

Documented Hammer Falls
Sylacauge
Barbotan
L Aigle
Weston
Park Forest
Paltusk
Barwell
and now Sutter's Mill

?From Micheal's website

1). "Hammer" - any
individual which is part of a hammer
fall in which one or more of the
individuals struck an
artifact, animal or human.....
Most of us hammer heads, however,
will collect
what is available from any hammer fall, though, of course,
hammer stones, themselves,
will be most valued."

Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633
eBay Store
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Hi All,

The use of the word "Hammer" when
referencing/advertising meteorites,
should only be used to describe an
actual stone which hit an artifact
(man made object).

Using the word
"Hammer" or Hammer Fall" in advertisements to sell stones
that are not
actual Hammer-Stones is misleading and confusing,
especially to new
collectors. It can cause much more confusion later
when those pieces are
resold to other meteorite collectors because an
inexperienced collector may
say it is a fragment of a hammer stone, not
understanding the difference
between the terms "hammer stone" and
"hammer fall".

An easy remedy
for this, is to NEVER use the words "Hammer Fall" in
advertisements. It's
misleading, and confusing. Period.

Regards,
Eric




On 5/14/2012 10:10 AM, Anita Westlake wrote:

>Thanks right, Steve. I own a quarter of a slice from the core from THE

>meteorite that hit Mrs. Hodges.

>

>There is a guy on this list who continues to call his
non-hammer Hodges

>meteorite The Sylacauga stone even after
he was reported to the I.M.C.A. for

>misleading the public.
For that reason alone, I will never buy anything from

>him.
Yes, it is part of the Sylacauga fall, but not the house-hitter. I would

>venture to guess that most of the public would not know the
difference, and

>that's what he's counting on!

>Anita

>

>

>

>----- Original Message ----

>From: "meteorhntr at
aol.com"<meteorhntr at
aol.com>

>To: Michael Farmer<mike at
meteoriteguy.com>;

>meteorite-list-bounces
at meteoritecentral.com; Shawn Alan<photophlow at
yahoo.com>

>Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist<meteorite-list at
meteoritecentral.com>

>Sent: Mon, May 14, 2012
11:30:10 AM

>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002
Mars meteorite, NWA2999,

>Barbotan man killer meteorite,
LUCE', Forest City, Barwell& more meteorites

>ending on
eBay soon!

>

>Mike and all,

>

>I agree with you the marketing "Such and
Such Hammer Fall" is very often

>misleading and if such a
term is ever used, I think there should be an obvious

>express disclaimer that the piece being purchase is NOT from the one that

>actually hit the object, unless of course there is
documentation to prove that

>it is from that specimen. I
would think the F.T.C. would agree.

>

>However, I do want to correct you on one thing Dr. King was able to secure a few

>grams of THE Sylacaga hammer that hit Mrs. Hodges via a core
sample taken from

>it. His records showed it did NOT come
from the Smithsonian's specimen but

>rather the museum that
held it back in the 1960's. This was only a few grams

>total
and was sold to the market back in 1999.

>

>The provenance should be strong with those pieces, and that data should have

>been passed on for the lucky few that have a piece.
Personally I would think

>they should have a very significant
premium over the "Non-Hammer Syclaga"

>pieces. A side note,
due to the core shape, "full slices" of the core will be

>coin shaped and part slices should have at least part of the edge in a arch.

>

>Steve Arnold

>Host of
Meteorite Men

>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: Michael Farmer<mike at
meteoriteguy.com>

>Sender: meteorite-list-bounces
at meteoritecentral.com

>Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 22:39:54

>To: Shawn Alan<photophlow at
yahoo.com>

>Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist<meteorite-list at
meteoritecentral.com>

>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]
AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999,

>Barbotan man
killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City,

>Barwell& more
meteorites ending on eBay soon!

>

>Except
the sylacaga

>Stone which hit the woman is actually in
Alabama. The pieces of sylacaga in

>collections are from the
larger stone found later in a road. So actually none of

>the
private collections contain the woman hitting stone.

>

>Otherwise having trouble following your post.

>Michael Farmer

>

>Sent
from my iPhone

>

>On May 13, 2012, at 10:36
PM, Shawn Alan<photophlow at
yahoo.com> wrote:

>

>>Now thats
some proof :) and a hammer stone I think would turn heads from the

>>Sutter's Mill HAMMER STONE FALL. I bet when its said and
done, there will be

>>more of stones found on top of
builds and roofs within the area the meteorite

>>fell
because of it fragmenting in the atmosphere, only time will tell. But for

>>those of you that collect hammer stones or meteorite
from HAMMER STONE FALLS the

>>Sylacauge I would say is the
king of all HAMMER STONE FALLS just for the fact

>>two
stone came from that fall, making one a hammer stone as apposed to Sutter's

>>Mill HAMMER STONE FALL were there has been over 60
individual stones and

>>fragments found so far and more
being documented. So in a since the probability

>>of a
hammer stone will be alot higher than from Sylacauge HAMMER STONE FALL.

>>

>>

>>Shawn
Alan

>>IMCA 1633

>>eBay store

>>http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html?

>>http://www.meteoritefalls.com/

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>________________________________

>>From: Dan Miller<dannyspl12 at
gmail.com>

>>To: Michael Farmer<mike at
meteoriteguy.com>

>>Cc: Shawn Alan<photophlow at
yahoo.com>; meteoritelist meteoritelist

>><meteorite-list at
meteoritecentral.com>

>>

>>Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 1:23 AM

>>Subject: Re:
[meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999,

>>Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City,
Barwell& more meteorites

>>ending on eBay soon!

>>

>>

>>List

>>

>>There is another hammer stone
but the owner and her husband have not gone

>>public yet.
They will next week when she gets back home. This one embedded

>>itself on her shed and she has the mark to prove it. I
will have them contact

>>Michael Gilmer and Peter J.

>>

>>

>>On Sun,
May 13, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Michael Farmer<mike at
meteoriteguy.com> wrote:

>>

>>Why does everyone keep putting hammer-stone in their descriptions? You do not

>>have piece of the hammer-stone, so putting it in the
auction title implies that

>>you are selling a piece of
the house hitting meteorite when you are not. Please

>>correct the auction to inform the buyers that they are NOT buying a piece of the

>>house hitting Sutter's Mill specimen.

>>>Just because a single piece of this meteorite hit a
house, does not mean every

>>>gram of the meteorite
found can be considered a "hammer". That is a scam to rip

>>>people off.

>>>People, this
is why you MUST know and trust your seller. Greg Hupe and I have

>>>already been contacted by several known scammers
trying to buy pieces of our

>>>meteorite. We are not
responding. We put a premium price on the unquestionably

>>>documented meteorite which hit the house, was seen
on BBC live and is not

>>>disputed by anyone. Don't be
fooled by people selling you other material

>>>coat-tailing our specimen. We kept record of every speck sold and can trace

>>>them back to the buyers.

>>>A meteorite of this rarity is likely to attract some unscrupulous sellers, know

>>>your source!

>>>Michael
Farmer

>>>

>>>Sent from my iPad

>>>

>>>

>>>On May 13, 2012, at 3:47 PM, Shawn Alan<photophlow at
yahoo.com> wrote:

>>>

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>>>>

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