[meteorite-list] Auction Kings meteorite - $2000 Sikhote Alin
From: Richard Montgomery <rickmont_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 17:48:20 -0700 Message-ID: <253F473A5F87495B991D1C9874F8ADB2_at_bosoheadPC> Yeah, I initially had the same reaction as Count...maybe not a good idea to switch the paradigm from in-the-know-competitive-market-driven-values to a free-for-all-mystique-value which eventually would upset at least some of the participants when the competitive-market-driven-values are discovered. Yet, who knows...value is where one finds it. As our passion now enjoys front-stage TV recognition, I'd be wrong to assert that mystique-value, (and throw in celebrity-value, howdy Geoff and Steve!) isn't now a new element; simply check ebay to see how celebrity status carries the day (something I applaud.) I doubt that rare metoeriteswill ever even enter into this arena: imagine if the consigned piece was a 1 gram 100% crusted Tissint...we'd hear the silence in the room....and wish we'd been there to offer $600 for the "tiny little thing." Hmmm...this is an interesting thread..... Richard Montgomery ----- Original Message ----- From: "Count Deiro" <countdeiro at earthlink.net> To: "MexicoDoug" <mexicodoug at aim.com>; <meteoritemike at gmail.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Auction Kings meteorite - $2000 Sikhote Alin > Hi List, > > Most auctioneers and auction bidders wouldn't be able to tell a meteorite > from a charcoal briquet. I think the rock in question sold cheap. The > seller could have put $2,000 as the reserve and those bidders would have > slugged it out to an even higher figure. Why do I say that? Because what > they did proved They didn't know market prices, so they were being > motivated by mystique, the Public misconception of value due to popular > media BS... and finally...good ole competition between each other. Seen it > happen a hundred times. It will keep happening until we screw it up by > flooding the small auction houses with meteorites and telling everyone > when they have paid too much. > > And if it bothers you to see someone pay more for something than you > would. Then ask yourself...Am I upset because I could have been the seller > and made that killing? Or am I upset because somebody made a bad buy? I > thought so. > > Regards, > > Count Deiro > IMCA 3536 > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug at aim.com> >>Sent: Mar 23, 2012 12:43 PM >>To: meteoritemike at gmail.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Auction Kings meteorite - $2000 Sikhote Alin >> >>Mike G wrote: >> >>"He opens it and brings out a Sikhote Alin shrapnel about the size of a >>grapefruit." >> >>"I'd guess the piece would sell on the meteorite market or eBay for >>about $250-$300. The owner's desired price of $1000 seemed unrealistic >>to me." >> >>Mike, very entertaining! I think I will start meteorite hunting on >>eBay. I sure would be easier than in the field if what this is true. >>A Sikhote the size of a grapefruit, if we use the United States >>Department of Agriculture's (USDA) definition for an average pink >>grapefruit size, is ... >> >>3.61 kg. >> >>So less eBay and paypal commissions, we must be receiving $218 for >>these Sikhote grapefruits, because we have an addiction to giving stuff >>away on eBay. ;-) >>The problem with "I caught a fish and it was *this big*" is you are >>building a story around a supposition you have made, when in fact $1000 >>may have been a reasonable offering price for the meteorite, or it may >>not have. >> >>Do you think 2.29 kg Campo for $749 is a better deal? >> >>http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/campo-del-cielo-iron-meteorite--big-centerpiece-specimen-229kg >> >>" and a bunch of people who don't know jack about meteorites" >> >>???: huh? What does an isolated sales price have to do with knowing >>about meteorites? >> >>Kindest wishes >>Doug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Michael Gilmer <meteoritemike at gmail.com> >>To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> >>Sent: Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:38 am >>Subject: [meteorite-list] Auction Kings meteorite - $2000 Sikhote Alin >> >> >>Hi Folks, >> >>So last night I was going through the channel guide on cable TV and I >>saw that a show called "Auction Kings" was going to have a segment >>featuring a meteorite. I had never watched this show before, but I >>was very curious to see what type of meteorite would be shown. >> >>Apparently, the show is about a local auction house somewhere (not >>sure where). People bring in unusual items and the auction house >>sells them at open auction while the cameras follow the action. >> >>The meteorite segment came and here is where the fun begins.... >> >>This guy walks in carrying a Pelican-style case about the size of a >>camera case. He opens it and brings out a Sikhote Alin shrapnel about >>the size of a grapefruit. The meteorite had a nice patina, but the >>shape was not very interesting or sculpted. In other words, it was >>what most of us would call a "lump", but it was obvious from the >>appearance that it was a genuine Sikhote. >> >>First, the auction house guy was impressed because the meteorite had a >>certificate of authenticity. I thought this was laughable for obvious >>reasons and a man who runs an auction house should know that 99% of >>COA's are not worth the paper they are printed on. I can go outside, >>grab a rock from my driveway, and print up an official-looking COA for >>it. >> >>Next, the owner proceeds to demonstrate that the meteorite is >>"magnetic" because a magnet will stick to it and that is one of the >>key tests to determine if a meteorite is genuine. I'll skip comment >>on this misconception and use of improper terminology because the real >>kicker was still to come. >> >>So the owner tells the auction house that he is hoping to sell the >>meteorite to help pay for a vacation to Paris and he wants $1000 for >>it. >> >>Ok, at no point in the show was the weight of the specimen ever >>mentioned. So without knowing the weight, it is difficult to assign >>to solid value to the piece. But judging by what I saw (apparent size >>and shape), I'd guess the piece would sell on the meteorite market or >>eBay for about $250-$300. The owner's desired price of $1000 seemed >>unrealistic to me, but this is television and a bunch of people who >>don't know jack about meteorites, so anything is possible. >> >>The auction part comes, and they have a nice turn out with maybe two >>or three dozen potential bidders in attendance. The meteorite ignites >>a bidding war and the final price for the piece was.....(*drumroll >>please*)...... $2000! And the buyer was thrilled because he thought >>he got a good deal. Of course, once he gets home and does some >>Googling to learn more about his new meteorite, he might change his >>mind about the deal he got. He could have went on eBay and bought a >>half-dozen Sikhote shrapnels of that size for $2000. >> >>So the moral of this story is - if you have a local auction house near >>you, go down there with a meteorite and you might be pleasantly >>surprised how much money it will fetch. I'm opening up the yellow >>pages today and/or getting on the internet and see what kind of >>auction houses we have here in the Tampa area. I'll be more than >>happy to offer them all the $200 stones and irons they want, as long >>as they fetch $2000 each. Heck, even after the auction house takes >>it's percentage, that is still a great deal for the seller. >> >>And the best part is, once the buyer gets home and finds out he/she >>got burned on the price, they cannot get mad at the seller, because >>they are the ones who bid the item up. >> >>Dealers - check your local auction houses. >> >>Best regards, >> >>MikeG >> >>-- >>----------------------------------------------------------- >>Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG >> >>Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com >>Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >>Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone >>RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 >>----------------------------------------------------------- >>______________________________________________ >> >>Visit the Archives at >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >>______________________________________________ >> >>Visit the Archives at >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Received on Fri 23 Mar 2012 08:48:20 PM PDT |
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