[meteorite-list] Arsenic Bacteria

From: dorifry <dorifry_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:51:56 -0400
Message-ID: <DD180010D5A74DB49BA545C9DD83A883_at_DoriPC>

Daniel,

The faster-than-light neutrino experiment also comes to mind.

Truth over Truthiness,

Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum


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> Hoax may have been a strong word, Phil, because it implies motive, but
> you are right-on to flag it nonetheless. Sloppy and overzealous would be
> the words that come to my mind. As a scientist, I was trained to be
> neither. Clearly, they made a mistake, or overlooked something. That's
> why you seek out collaboration. Of course they knew it would cause a
> stir when they published it. They wanted to be the first to show such.
> Egos. Unfortunately, it was very premature for them to jump out and make
> a claim with such dramatic and sweeping implications without first
> waiting for independent confirmation. The good news is, in the end the
> subject was clarified by subsequent research.
>
> This is why the recent Higgs Boson announcement was the result of two
> completely independent teams coming to the same conclusion after very
> extensive research. By the way, the media has in my mind been only
> somewhat successful in explaning for lay people what the HB particle
> discovery is and means. Here's my most simplified version of it for the
> non-theoretical physical scientists (mostly everybody): the Higgs Boson
> particle is what correlates energy to matter, it makes the = in the
> E=MC*2 equation possible....
>
> Best,
> Daniel
>
> Daniel Noyes
> Genuine Moon & Mars Meteorite Rocks
> info at moonmarsrocks.com
> www.moonmarsrocks.com
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 23:17:59 -0400
> From: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" <joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Arsenic Bacteria Hoax
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> This current news story is as unfortunate as the original NASA story
> spin of
> Wolf-Simon's article release two years ago. Hoax implies a deliberate
> fabrication of evidence. There's no call here to insult the personal
> integrity of the scientists for publishing their earlier experimental
> observations on the Mono Lake arsenic tolerant bacteria. Also never
> concluded in the original experiments would be that arsenate could
> completely replace phophate, just that it might have been substituted
> for
> less than one percent of phosphorus at a cost. They weren't looking for
> any
> kind of attention themselves to create this a publicity stunt. Just over
>
> zealot news media spun into action by an interesting preliminary report.
>
> Looking forward to reading the actual article when available and new
> studies
> to follow.
>
>
> Howard,
>
> You're right, calling it a hoax may have been overstating my opinion.
> But it
> was definitely a publicity stunt. If you claim to have discovered a
> completely new life form, unknown to science and possibly of alien
> origin,
> it's just good manners to wait until it's independently confirmed. They
> jumped the gun with their premature announcement. As if they didn't know
>
> that it would create a lot of hoopla and possibly mislead a lot of
> people! I
> don't know what their exact motives were, but announcing that you've
> found a
> living DNA chain with arsenic replacing phosphorus compounds before it's
>
> been confirmed seems a little hoaxy to me. I'm no scientist, but I'm
> still
> annoyed by that whole cold fusion thing.
>
> Phil Whitmer
> Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum
>
>
>
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