[meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian Fall. The most significant fall of this century?

From: Ed Deckert <edeckert_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:29:53 -0500
Message-ID: <27AB12ADC40C4A1E8FEF0177213438DB_at_MAINPC>

Maybe because the material from the lunar falls originates from the dark
side of the moon and because of that we can't see them very well?
:-)

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian Fall. The most
significant fall of this century?


> Hi List,
>
> I was discussing with someone off-list, and I'm wondering (as many of
> you have) - why no lunar witnessed falls? We get a Martian fall about
> every 50 years, but no lunar falls on record.
>
> According to those numbers, we were due for a Martian fall. And we
> are long long overdue for a lunar fall....
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
>
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> On 1/12/12, Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Count and List,
>>
>> I probably should have clarified - the 21st century. So basically the
>> last ~12 years. It's hard to find a fall (pun intended) in the last
>> 12 years that is more important (overall) than this Martian. In
>> terms of scientific value, Tagish Lake is probably high on the list of
>> the most important in the 21st century.
>>
>> If NonCom approves it as a fall and if a lot of good research comes
>> out of this meteorite, then it's surely one of the most interesting
>> falls of the 50 years.
>>
>> Let's all cross our fingers and hope that MetSoc approves this as a
>> named fall and that they approve it quickly once they have the data
>> required to do so. :)
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/12/12, Count Deiro <countdeiro at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I only know that there are papers published making the argument that
>>> certain
>>> SNC's and Alan Hills 84001 show evidence of fossilized life forms. There
>>> are
>>> other scientists who dispute this. Nakhla has the more compelling
>>> artifacts
>>> and is used more often to prove the hypothesis.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Count Deiro
>>> IMCA 3536
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>From: dorifry <dorifry at embarqmail.com>
>>>>Sent: Jan 12, 2012 2:15 PM
>>>>To: Count Deiro <countdeiro at earthlink.net>, Galactic Stone & Ironworks
>>>> <meteoritemike at gmail.com>, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian Fall. The most
>>>> significant fall of this century?
>>>>
>>>>If life has been confirmed on Mars, wouldn't the President have called a
>>>>press conference?
>>>>
>>>>Phil Whitmer
>>>>Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Count Deiro" <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
>>>>To: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>;
>>>><meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 4:41 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian Fall. The most
>>>>significant fall of this century?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Michael has asked:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Would it be safe to say, that the new Martian "Tata" fall is the most
>>>>>>significant meteorite fall of the 21st century, and perhaps of the
>>>>>>last 50+ years?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not even close, Mike if by century, you were referring to falls
>>>>> observed
>>>>> through the 1900's. Take Nakhla for example. Witnessed fall. Immediate
>>>>> collection by experts and responsible for stirring the fuel under that
>>>>> most famous of all Martian arguments....is there is, or is there was
>>>>> ..life on Mars. Chock full of fossilized nanobacteria, biomorphs and
>>>>> whatever else they found last month that is being written up at this
>>>>> writing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Count Deiro
>>>>> IMCA 3536
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
>>>>>>Sent: Jan 12, 2012 9:09 AM
>>>>>>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>>Subject: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian Fall. The most
>>>>>> significant
>>>>>>fall of this century?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi List,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Would it be safe to say, that the new Martian "Tata" fall is the most
>>>>>>significant meteorite fall of the 21st century, and perhaps of the
>>>>>>last 50+ years?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>All things considered, this has the makings of a very significant
>>>>>>event for science. This is the most pristine sample of Mars to arrive
>>>>>>in labs for a long time, if ever. Even the freshest NWA finds cannot
>>>>>>compare to fresh stones collected less than a year after the fall.
>>>>>>The unbroken stones and larger fragments will supply science with
>>>>>>unaltered, unoxidixed material for research. This new Martian is
>>>>>>going to be widely studied, so I hope everyone is getting their
>>>>>>microprobes warmed up in anticipation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Word has it that institutions and museums have been allocated a
>>>>>>sizeable amount of material in terms of trades and donations, so there
>>>>>>appears to be plenty of it available for study. It is safe to say
>>>>>>that this new meteorite (whatever the official name turns out to be)
>>>>>>will appear in a lot of papers and journals over time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>For science, this is the next best thing to a manned sample-return
>>>>>>mission. For collectors this is best thing since sliced bread. The
>>>>>>only thing that could have made this fall better, from a collector's
>>>>>>standpoint, is if a stone had bounced off a Bedouin tent and struck a
>>>>>>camel in the hump. But, you can't have your cake and eat it too. ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, what is the going consensus on the details of this fall?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nickname - Tata or Foumzgit (mostly "Tata")
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TKW - several kilograms, probably less than 10kg. Much of this is in
>>>>>>the form of large whole stones and large broken stones and that
>>>>>>material has been absorbed into collections and is not likely to
>>>>>>return to the market. Ballpark figure of material to be available
>>>>>>eventually on the collector market is probably "a few kilos" (2-3kg?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Date of fall - July of 2011 (certain), actual date - July 25, 2011?
>>>>>>Other reports say earlier in July (13-15?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Time of fall - day or night? (night?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Type - Shergottite, shocked, silver-grey matrix with black shock
>>>>>>veins. Glossy fresh black fusion crust.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Misc - witness reports include an audible explosion and popping
>>>>>>sounds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Does all of that sound about right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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