[meteorite-list] Fw: PVC death trap

From: wahlperry at aol.com <wahlperry_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:51:48 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID: <8CEBC74BD36DEE7-1878-46C00_at_Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Doug, Mark and List,

First thanks for all the great replies. I want to point out that I am
NOT anti- mining. I have been a lifelong Nevada resident and I believe
that mining and wildlife can co-exist in our State. My main purpose was
to increase public awareness of this problem. I was saddened by what I
found in the PVC marker and would like to see the problem cease. I
believe many of these tragic deaths( if not all) can be avoided. Over
the years while exploring the deserts of the
Southwest I have crossed paths with many of the PVC markers. Some of
the valleys are covered with markers as far as the eye can see. Many of
the claims are long forgotten and the only reminder are the broken
markers littering the
Desert floor. In fact our State Bird the mountain bluebird has
frequently fallen victim to these pipes.

Here is a link to an article. PVC pipes trapping, killing birds by the
thousands "A troubling find was that "about half of those markers that
HAD PROTECTIVE CAPS put in place at some earlier point in time, now
had those caps DISPLACED, on the ground nearby," said state biologist
Christy Klinger. "So the hazard from the pipe became
re-established."Here is a link to the article.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/22/8955697-pvc-pipes-trapping-killing-birds-by-the-thousands

Sorry for the incomplete post. I have a meteorite hunting trip planned
today with a small army of PETA types to spread out into the desert
knocking over snd deatroying other peoplesproperty markers and
hopefully find a few meteorites. : )

Sonny






-----Original Message-----
From: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug at aim.com>
To: minador <minador at yahoo.com>; meteorite-list
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Fri, Feb 17, 2012 11:11 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: PVC death trap


Hi Mark, everyone,It's too bad society needs rules but with so many
humans overrrunning the wilderness, the best way to deal with it is
work on a responsible collecting/mining/4-wheeling/detecting/etc.
personal policy and showcase it for all to see - just like Sonny - then
regulations are not zealously pursued and the offended find other
causes more urgently in need and leave us alone.I hear you, but just
like everything we seem to get involved in that is outdoors, a few bad
apples can spoil it for the 90%+ of people who really are law abidng
common sense toting individuals and that is where the regulators are
forced to move, and in this case people that don't clean up after
themselfs, maybe because they died, or some other possibly easily
understandable reason.There are always people with different priorities
and I agree a bird zealot may seem over the top for a meteorite hunter.
  But then again, a miner might not appreciate someone snooping over the
above grounds rights of a meteorite hunter and if enough meteorite
hunters are in areas with mining claims with enough rotten apples
acting suspiciously in a place like Gold Basin for example, the PETA
bird zealot becomes the miner and the meteorite hunter suffers.Who
said, "common sense is not so common". It's been that way since I was
a kid metal detecting. Even going back to the 1960's Handbook of metal
detectors (the only outdated book on detectors I found as a 9-year old
in the library, the advice is "cover your holes!" same principle, same
danger, different day ;-) Look at the bright side of things. It won't
give the bird an opportunity to evolve into building human tube traps
that at night, lost meteorite hunters who are so cold that they scamper
in them for the crucial welcomed cover thanking their instincts and
happily fall asleep a little cold, but not frozen, only to wake up in
the warming sun to find themselves inside a tomb which allows them to
see the sky but is to slippery to lift themselves out no matter how
much they beat themselves against the solitary confinement, all they
while slowly getting cooked alive in a roman style birdmade oven, until
their shreiks of nervous terror are extinguished by overheating bodies
and a sudden onset of a peaceful dehydration.Kindest
wsiehsDoug-----Original Message-----From: Mark Bowling
<minador at yahoo.com>To: Count Deiro <countdeiro at earthlink.net>; cetuspa
<cetuspa at shaw.ca>; meteorite-list
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>Sent: Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:14
amSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: PVC death trapHi Count,They made it
illegal to put up uncapped markers, but because nobody did anythingwith
the old,?markers that define mostly?defunct claims (which should have
beenan obvious outcome), they made all PVC markers illegal.?I think
they should still allow?pipe to be used (PVC or otherwise), but that
itmust be capped.? And they?can still allow people to remove (but leave
in place)any uncapped markers (because they are important boundary
markers).? I think?ablanket outlawing of?any use of?PVC as a marker is
an over reaction.? There is astrong anti-mining movement, and it is?sad
to give them the excuse to removeresponsible capped pipes, just because
the pipe is PVC and they don't likeminers.? I think a common sense
should be applied.?Happy
hunting,Mark________________________________From: Count Deiro
<countdeiro at earthlink.net>To: cetuspa at shaw.ca;
meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.comSent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:51
PMSubject: [meteorite-list] Fw: PVC death trapHi List and nature lovers
in general,Mining provides Nevada with the second largest contribution
to our State'seconomy in terms of jobs and money. The finding of ore
bodies and the stakingand recording of those claims is a necessity. The
use of white Schedule 40 PVCpipes evolved from first using Prince
Albert tobacco tins to be the mostefficient and economical way of
marking a claim.Everybody I know likes birds. They look at them. They
take pictures of them.They paint them, they count them, keep them as
pets... and they even hunt andeat them. They are a necessity of life
certainly.So, do we have to pass a state mining regulation requiring
placing a $1.49 pvccap on the pipe with a couple of taps of a hammer,
or a swab of pvc glue andsave the little birdies? Or is it better to
marshal a small army of PETA typesto spread out into the desert
knocking over snd deatroying other peoplesproperty markers?Jesus must
weep with the stupidity.Count DeiroIMCA 3536-----Forwarded
Message----->From: Paul Gessler <>>Sent: Feb 17, 2012 8:06 PM>To:
meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>Subject: [meteorite-list] PVC death
trap>>That is truly one of the most amazing things I have heard.>I see
those all the time hunting meteorites and never thought>much of them
except that I noticed they disintegrate fast in the sun.>Obviously not
fast enough for these birds. Thank you very much for>posting this and I
too will leave none standing when I come across>them in the future.?
What kind of birds were they? 14 is just sadly>incredible!>>Paul
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