[meteorite-list] HELP PLEASE - PECULIAR METEORITE DISCOVERY....

From: Darryl Pitt <darryl_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:30:36 -0500
Message-ID: <B302ABA8-E08B-4DFF-9380-495246780327_at_dof3.com>

Mike...

---This is a meteorite
---No one has attempted to pass it off as a new find
---As conveyed in my original post, the finder agreed to submit a piece of testing
---I'm not as certain as you this will solve the issues presented---but it's a start

Best /d


On Feb 14, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote:

> Hi Michael and List,
>
> My thoughts exactly. It's either a strange meteorwrong, or it's a
> transported specimen being passed off as a new find. If the owner
> would submit a small piece for testing, that would solve the issue
> once and for all.
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
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> On 2/14/12, Michael Mulgrew <mikestang at gmail.com> wrote:
>> What type of "backyard" equipment does this couple have that could
>> produce such a perfect cut on an iron meteorite? Looks to me like a
>> previously purchased iron left out to rust a bit.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Thanks, everyone, for the initial wave of responses both on and off list.
>>>
>>> I've clarified the following two points raised below and have taken a path
>>> similar to what Doug mentioned (also below).
>>>
>>> Hopefully our learning what meteorite this is will prove helpful. Please
>>> circulate as you deem appropriate.
>>>
>>> Here are the pics. http://www.flickr.com/photos/darrylpitt/
>>>
>>>
>>> Best/ d
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 14, 2012, at 7:06 AM, John higgins wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>
>>>> Sandy Hook is a national Park, regular civilians don't live there. There
>>>> are no 75ft escarpments in Sandy Hook. Maybe if the guy said he was from
>>>> Atlantic Highlands, that would make more sense..... This story is full
>>>> of holes, Daryl please be careful.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards from New Jersey,
>>>> John Higgins
>>>> IMCA # 9822
>>>> www.outerspacerocks.com
>>>
>>>
>>> He is from Highlands, NJ near Sandy Hook. I remembered the Sandy Hook
>>> reference and provided it as a general location in Northeastern, N.J. I
>>> didn't know that Sandy Hook was not also a town.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 13, 2012, at 11:52 PM, Pete Pete wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree with Mike, Daryl!
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to imagine a scenario of a house on a ravine, a guy finding a
>>>> rusty lump, and the wife persistently tries to throw the lump out in the
>>>> garbage(?!) instead of simply heaving it over the fence?
>>>>
>>>> Doesn't track. Sounds like a scripted story.
>>>>
>>>> Like we say at work - "The name's Tucker, not sucker!"
>>>>
>>>> Pete
>>>
>>>
>>> No fence. (I asked as I was also bewildered). Reportedly found at the
>>> edge of an escarpment. The wife seems honest and was the one doing the
>>> sleuthing here.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 14, 2012, at 3:15 AM, MexicoDoug wrote:
>>>
>>>> "A seemingly honest fellow from Sandy Hook, NJ came to my office late
>>>> today in
>>>> the hope I could verify what he was told could be a meteorite---and it
>>>> is."
>>>>
>>>> "are honest....but I just don't get it."
>>>>
>>>> Hi Darryl,
>>>>
>>>> Either you run with it or you give it back. But posting the pictures of
>>>> the etch pattern should be pretty good evidence of some of the larger
>>>> transported falls.
>>>>
>>>> Lots of explanations could account for the meteorite (the prior owner
>>>> died and the rock stayed on the porch --- it's happened before ...etc.),
>>>> but if we listen to Jefferson, while it would be easier to believe they
>>>> are lying, the facts are what must be established. What do you have to
>>>> lose? If you don't want to risk time and money, just see if they'll fax
>>>> a release giving you permission to have it analyzed and just for your
>>>> own protection slip in that they represent in good faith that the
>>>> meteorite is their property and presented to you as an unknown for
>>>> verification (which you mention is what gives them the right to have it
>>>> analyzed since meteorites can be valuble)...
>>>>
>>>> Good luck, if it's a scam, bring it on. Let's see those pix...After
>>>> all, no obvious match on the etch is great news no matter how you
>>>> *slice* it. If the etch matches a large widely distributed fall, but
>>>> they insisted and you wanted out,you could always offer to take a nice
>>>> slice to pay your expenses in case it turns out to be common. Does that
>>>> make sense?
>>>>
>>>> Kindest wishes
>>>> Doug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 13, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Darryl Pitt wrote:
>>>
>>>> Folks,
>>>>
>>>> I need your help; there is a problem here---I'm just not certain as to
>>>> its nature.
>>>>
>>>> A seemingly honest fellow from Sandy Hook, NJ came to my office late
>>>> today in the hope I could verify what he was told could be a
>>>> meteorite---and it is.
>>>>
>>>> This fellow said that just after he moved in a year ago, he found it on
>>>> the embankment of his backyard just beyond which is a 75 foot
>>>> escarpment. The wife said she tried to throw the rusty thing out a
>>>> couple of times and both times he rescued it from the garbage. It is a
>>>> medium octahedrite which weighs 4.236 kg. How do I know it's a medium
>>>> octahedrite? I could make out a feint pattern underneath a veneer of
>>>> rust on the cut face. Yes, roughly speaking, this fellow found a cut
>>>> and prepared meteorite in his backyard.
>>>>
>>>> The fellow left the specimen in my possession and agreed to allow me to
>>>> have a sample removed and forwarded for analysis. I advised him there
>>>> could be a problem here that could be readily determined---and he didn't
>>>> seem fazed. While I've been accused of being naive, I nonetheless
>>>> genuinely believe he and his wife are honest....but I just don't get it.
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts here? Northeastern New Jersey. End piece. Medium
>>>> octahedrite. 4.2 kg.
>>>>
>>>> I'll get a pic posted tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> All best and thanks / d,
>>>
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