[meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas

From: Shawn Alan <photophlow_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 17:36:27 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <1328664987.43629.YahooMailNeo_at_web160106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Yeah I see it in Quitman? If thats the case I am not sure if this is a bounce back of the meteor fall, but who knows with these scans. But I have to say, I remember the Mufflin fall and in 3 different elevation runs there were bounce backs and with this one its only in one elevation sweep.

Shawn Alan
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From: Steve Dunklee <steve.dunklee at yahoo.com>
To: Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas

oooh! to the northeast there is an almost mirror image of the radar return. the midway point to the north should be the fall area

--- On Wed, 2/8/12, Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas
> To: "nf114ec at npgcable.com" <nf114ec at npgcable.com>
> Cc: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 1:06 AM
> Jim 7 Listers
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> ?Jim try HAS002390341
> ?
> here is a link of the radar image. the bounce back shows up
> in only one sweap and the elevation is about 4km
> ?
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/48262799 at N03/6838603313/
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> Shawn Alan
> IMCA 1633
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> meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood
> TexasJim
> Wooddell nf114ec
> at npgcable.com
> Tue Feb 7 14:49:38 EST 2012
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> Steve, do you have the HAS order numbers for this or screen
>
> shots?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve
> Dunklee" <steve.dunklee at
> yahoo.com>
> To: "Marc Fries" <mfries8 at
> hotmail.com>;
> <meteorite-list at
> meteoritecentral.com>; "Jim Wooddell" <nf114ec at
> npgcable.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:15 PM
> Subject:
> Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood
> Texas
>
>
> there were two radar returns and two sonic booms reported.
> both of
> the radar
> returns are in a northern direction almost parallel. this
> indicates the
> termination as north of the radar returns. northwest of the
>
> lake.
> cheers
> Steve
>
> --- On Tue, 2/7/12, Jim Wooddell <nf114ec at
> npgcable.com> wrote:
>
>
> >From: Jim Wooddell <nf114ec at
> npgcable.com>
>
> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd
> Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood
>
> >Texas
>
> >To: "Marc Fries" <mfries8 at
> hotmail.com>,
>
> >meteorite-list at
> meteoritecentral.com
>
> >Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012,
> 6:50 PM
>
> >Hi Marc and Steve and all,
>
> >
>
> >My comment that the radar information was off was
> because of
>
> >an error in the camera location to begin searching the
> radar
>
> >data?
>
> >
>
> >Garbage in =
> Garbage out.
>
> >
>
> >Rob figured that out and
> Jim Gamble confirmed Rob's
>
> >findings.
>
> >
>
> >So, my statement seems to be true in at least one
>
> >instance. Not the fault of the radar and I felt the
>
> >frustration!
>
> >
>
> >I think
> fine tuning on where the information to research
>
> >comes from
> is key and it's improving all the time.
>
> >
>
> >Marc, do you have HAS numbers I could bum? I am not
>
> >actively
> searching this one, just want to see what you are
>
> >seeing.
>
> >
>
> >It's a little surprising that this
> fireball was not clearly
>
> >distinguished and Id'ed on radar in
> my mind. Why do
>
> >you think that is???
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >As a point of information, at least on
> the Sky Sentinel
>
> >network, the node operator can create a
> movie, regardless of
>
> >the "event" capture timing.
>
> >I can set the event capture to a very low time.
>
> >Because it is there to capture an event, all I need is
> the
>
> >beginning time to then go back and make a movie that
> will
>
> >"see" the entire event plus added time prior and after
> to
>
> >determine any kind of flash, etc., many seconds after
> the
>
> >event leaves my horizon. It's easy and only takes a
>
> >few minutes to do. IOW's, the movie, is only dependent
>
> >on the event capture to get a relative time to
> begin...and
>
> >that's it.
>
> >Knowing this, the radar guys
> (me included) can then call or
>
> >email the node operator
> directly and get the correct
>
> >information and data....the
> keyword being "directly".
>
> >Some operators, like me, may even
> order up the HAS data and
>
> >have that being processed, so that
> order number can be
>
> >shared as well, which can save some time
> as well when
>
> >contacted!
>
> >
>
> >In regards to the sonic booms, that's great to hear all
>
>
> >the witnesses heard it. However, have there been
>
> >any time delays recorded? I have not seen any posted.
>
> >
>
> >Kind regards,
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >Jim
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >Jim Wooddell
>
> >https://k7wfr.us
>
> >Parker Sentinel
> SkyCam
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc
> Fries" <mfries8 at
> hotmail.com>
>
> >To: <meteorite-list at
> meteoritecentral.com>
>
> >Sent: Tuesday, February 07,
> 2012 10:16 AM
>
> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from
> Strewnfield in
>
> >Edgewood Texas
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >> Rather quietly and "behind the
> scenes", there has been
>
> >a lot of work developing the use of
> weather radar to detect
>
> >meteorites, by Rob Matson, Jake
> Schaefer, myself, my
>
> >brother, and others. It's been a tall
> learning curve
>
> >but I think we've made a lot of progress. In
> my
>
> >opinion, the biggest "unknown" left at this point is to
>
>
> >figure out what size of meteorites and/or other debris
>
> >actually show up best in radar data. The radar
> reflections
>
> >we see are not only reflections off of solid objects but
>
>
> >also from atmospheric turbulence. And we also have to
>
> >unravel the knot of reflections in the Mie scattering
>
> >regime, where the reflected signal strength varies
> widely -
>
> >and nonlinearly - with the size of the reflector. The
> upshot
>
> >is that we are still working on sorting out what radar
>
> >reflection equates to what size of meteorite. If we see
> a
>
> >radar reflection, is it from search-worthy stones or
> just a
>
> >cloud of ~1g rocks, or even ablation spherules? A good
> part
>
> >of that is just a matter of timing, but not all of it.
>
> >Lorton, for example, produced a strong radar signature
> in
>
> >TDWR radar data but nothing was found beyond the
> original
>
> >doctors'-office-smasher, suggesting that we were looking
> at
>
> >a swarm of tiny rocks....? The same is true for the
>
> >Jacksonville, IL event.
>
> >>
>
> >> This DFW fireball appears to come from a
>
> >well-consolidated object that survived a long "burn"
> time
>
> >with little in the way of fragmentation. West, TX, by
>
> >comparison, fragmented extensively and produced a
> beautiful,
>
> >easy to follow set of radar signatures. My take on the
> DFW
>
> >fireball is that we're looking for a small number of
> large
>
> >rocks that reached the ground quickly, producing a
>
> >short-lived radar signature that requires some degree of
>
>
> >luck to figure out. ...or are we looking at 1g stones
>
> >that no one is going to find? Just having that answer
>
> >in hand will tell us a lot about where to look.
>
> >>
>
> >> Still working on it...
>
> >>
>
> >> Cheers,
>
> >> Marc Fries
>
> >>
>
> >> On 2/7/12 8:46
> AM, Steve Dunklee wrote:
>
> >>> The radar data is not off.
> It is just not
>
> >understood by most people how the parabola of
> a fall can
>
> >cause the actual landing area to be up to 12
> miles away from
>
> >the radar data. If you stick a french curve
> in an apple to
>
> >represent the west to east fall. the
> termination point is
>
> >north to northwest of the radar data.
>
> >>> Cheers
>
> >>> Steve Dunklee
>
> >>>
>
> >>> --- On Tue, 2/7/12,
> Jim Wooddell<nf114ec at
> npgcable.com>
>
> >wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> From: Jim Wooddell<nf114ec at
> npgcable.com>
>
> >>>> Subject: Re:
> [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from
>
> >Strewnfield in Edgewood
> Texas
>
> >>>> To: "Dennis Miller"<astroroks at
> hotmail.com>,
>
> >mccartney at
> blackbearddata.com,
>
> >meteorite-list at
> meteoritecentral.com
>
> >>>> Date: Tuesday,
> February 7, 2012, 4:29 PM
>
> >>>> Hi All!
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> I thought it
> was determined the Radar data was
>
> >off???
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> And, it really is not a strewn
> filed until one
>
> >is actually
>
> >>>>
> found!
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Cheers!
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Jim
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Jim Wooddell
>
> >>>> http://k7wfr.us
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>
> >>>> From: "Dennis Miller"<astroroks at
> hotmail.com>
>
> >>>> To:<mccartney at
> blackbearddata.com>;
>
> >>>> <meteorite-list at
> meteoritecentral.com>
>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday,
> February 07, 2012 8:55 AM
>
> >>>> Subject: Re:
> [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from
>
> >Strewnfield in
>
> >>>> Edgewood Texas
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>> Nice! I am
> so glad you didn't set the
>
> >public price too
>
> >>>> high, like
>
> >>>>>
> Thousands
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> for Ash Creek. :-) I do hope you are
>
> >successful in your
>
> >>>> hunt. Keep us
>
> >>>>> posted.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> Missed you in Tucson!
> Again, Good Luck!
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> Dennis Miller
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>> From: mccartney at
> blackbearddata.com
>
> >>>>>> To: meteorite-list at
> meteoritecentral.com
>
> >>>>>> Date: Mon, 6
> Feb 2012 22:17:55 -0700
>
> >>>>>> Subject:
> [meteorite-list] 2nd Report
>
> >from
>
> >>>> Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas
>
> >>>>>> Nothing has been found where the
> radar
>
> >data said it
>
> >>>> might be. Torvald
>
> >>>>>> and Donavan have left the zone
> replaced
>
> >by Stephen
>
> >>>> Thompson out of
>
> >>>>>> Fredricksburg TX who is an expert
> on
>
> >Sonic Boom
>
> >>>> characteristics.
>
> >>>>>> I've been lucky enough to get some
>
>
> >media attention
>
> >>>> to try to
> motivate
>
> >>>>>> the public to assist here is
> today's
>
> >interview on
>
> >>>> TV.
> This is the 5 TV
>
> >>>>>> interview I've given
> since arriving.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> http://dfw.cbslocal.com/video/6713580-meteor-hunters-scouring-north-texas/
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> We spent the day interviewing more
>
>
> >witnesses&
>
> >>>> compiling and extending
>
> >>>>>> the range of sonic boom farther to
> the
>
> >east to
>
> >>>> include Wills
> Point, and
>
> >>>>>> southern Lake Tawakanii.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> We'll do some field samplings
> tomorrow
>
> >east of 19.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> Also as a warning. I've heard from
> a
>
> >local that the
>
> >>>> landowner who owns
>
> >>>>>> the land in the north where the
> upper
>
> >radar blip
>
> >>>> is, has gotten
> very
>
> >>>>>> hostile to all outsiders. The
> local
>
> >warned me to
>
> >>>> tell
> everyone to stay
>
> >>>>>> off that property. He
> thinks the
>
> >landowner may
>
> >>>>
> shoot to wound or maim.
>
> >>>>>> So I'd like
> everyone to take that
>
> >threat to heart.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> At this point, we
> have two new
>
> >important
>
> >>>>
> observations and think the
>
> >>>>>> strewnfield
> to be east of 19 now.
>
> >>>>>> At this point,
> there have been no Z
>
> >sightings, but
>
> >>>> the Black Panther
>
> >>>>>> remains
> a constant threat. 5 dogs were
>
> >killed.
>
> >>>> Also, the park rangers
>
> >>>>>> at
> the state park warned us that a
>
> >mountain lion
>
> >>>> has been spotted in the
>
> >>>>>> area.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> Some sonic boom activity has been
>
> >traced back to
>
> >>>> some
> individual using
>
> >>>>>> some kind of reactive
> explosive that
>
> >detonates when
>
> >>>> shot by a bullet.
>
> >>>>>> The
> local police has informed us this
>
> >has been a
>
> >>>> bit of a problem for
>
> >>>>>> weeks. Consequently, it really
> screws
>
> >up our
>
> >>>> acoustical survey.
>
> >>>>>> and a mention and big hand to Dirk
>
>
> >Ross, David
>
> >>>> Gonzales, and Marc Fries
>
> >>>>>> for giving us back support.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> -mccartney taylor& stephen
>
> >thompson
>
> >>>>>> (meteorite hunter) (offical panther
>
>
> >bait)
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>
>
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