[meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay, and with a certain seller.... & they try to sell fake lunars in the past
From: Anne Black <impactika_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 16:08:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8CFA39F3F9E4A1D-18DC-21AC5_at_webmail-m101.sysops.aol.com> Thank Bob, But the link you posted is VERY outdated, please use this one: http://www.impactika.com/ And then you can click on any of the links at the top of the page. And yes I do list the provenance of the pieces I sell right there on my site. I started doing that a few years ago when very rare specimens with missing or fraudulent provenance started to show up, people who have been here a while will remember that. And I have never had any problems due to that decision. My "sources" have never complained to me, some of my competitiors did complain, loudly! but not my sources, and I just bought a collection of over 700 pieces from a long-time collector with many different sources (that I do list), some of those pieces are now listed and again no complaint from the sources. However I have received many emails thanking me from collectors, I got another one just this morning! Conclusion: I will keep on listing the provenances, and I will keep on asking my sources for their sources too. To me it is simply the right thing to do. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com IMPACTIKA at aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Loeffler <bobl at peaktopeak.com> To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 11:17 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay, and with a certain seller.... & they try to sell fake lunars in the past HI all, I think that anyone who asks an IMCA dealer for provenance of a specimen should expect to get it. IMCA member dealers should be held to a higher authority if they want to be respected as IMCA members. I would think that this is part of membership, but I could be wrong (since I'm not a member). If IMCA member dealers don't give out provenance when asked for it, this could be considered deception... which looks bad on them and the IMCA. Or maybe I'm missing out on what the IMCA is about. This is what the first two sentences on the IMCA home page says: "The International Meteorite Collectors Association (IMCA Inc.) has one primary purpose: helping Meteorite Collectors in their search for Authentic Meteorites for their collections and assisting others in helping to learn more about meteorites. Whether they are new to the Meteorite World or very knowledgeable, we want all Collectors to buy/trade with confidence from our Members, knowing that every item will be exactly what it is represented to be." It seems pretty obvious to me. How can we, as buyers, buy WITH CONFIDENCE when the seller doesn't provide information when requested? If there are "trade secrets" (e.g. "Exactly where was the specimen found?" when the finder hasn't disclosed that info), then I understand why a dealer wouldn't disclose that info. But provenance should not be considered a trade secret. I'm not trying to single out Shawn. I've never had any dealings with him and I'm sure he is a good person, so I am just saying all of this "in general" for all of the meteorite community. If you look at Anne Black's website (http://www.impactika.com/MetList.htm), you will see that she mentions the provenance for about 95% of her stock. For those who are worried that a potential buyer will go over a dealer's head directly to the source, the source person has probably not dealt with the potential buyer (otherwise they would already be in discussions), and the source person will not want to have to deal with a new person because there is a lot of risk when starting up a business rapport with a new buyer. BTW, I don't know Bill and have never dealt with him either, so I'm not taking his side because of anything personal. Just my $0.02 worth... Regards, Bob L -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of bill kies Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 11:06 PM To: photophlow at yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay, and with a certain seller.... & they try to sell fake lunars in the past Shawn, You are a member of the IMCA. I shouldn't have to do homework when I buy from you. When I ask for provenance in advance you should cheerfully provide it. I never questioned the authenticity of your material. I only asked for assurance prior to making a bid. Is there really anyone that's going to try and undermine you at the source? Maybe, but I'm not one to pulverize micro's and I knew of your sources before you even considered meteorite collecting. I'll look up our private discussion on ebay if it's still there and let you decide who initiated rudeness. I believe I have it in a file somewhere. Seasoned Gratings, Bill Received on Sat 08 Dec 2012 04:08:04 PM PST |
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