[meteorite-list] Some interesting meteorite falls of the last two centuries

From: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 13:19:21 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID: <8CE78ECB882AB5C-7B4-49198_at_webmail-d156.sysops.aol.com>

"not all meteorites in general need an export permit, but only those,
so it's given in the 1975/1990-Act - those "related to New Zealand".
(i.e. New Zealand falls and finds)."

Hi Martin,

Of course it would only strictly apply to the country's own meteorites!
  Not necessary to clarify, given for example all the meteorites bought
and sold on eBay from Canada, Australia, etc.!

But what's this about New Zealand laws, wasn't NZ just an Australian
sheep farm? Oops, I just pissed off three people and twenty million
sheeps.

Kindest wsihes
Doug

It's a joke - I know New Zealand is a country somewhere in the middle
of some isolated ocean far far away ;-) And for that reason must be
one heaven on earth since it is mostly unspoilt, becasue people like us
haven't been able to get there yet.


-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:45 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some interesting meteorite falls of the
last two centuries


Hi Doug,

As far as I know, the couch was auctioned off - brought only a couple of
hundred dollars (cause da Captain was sleeping).

Btw. if talking about export laws we have urgently to clarify those of
New
Zealand,
as in past I saw that even IMCA board members had commended the
Schmitt&McEwans paper ("The law of ownership and control of meteorites",
2001) as authoritative here on the list.

The information given there for New Zealand is (like for so many other
countries there) incorrect.

OTHER than there falsely claimed, meteorites are NOT classified in the
Antiquities Act of 1975 (and 1990) as antiquity.

EXPLICITELY the act gives, that meteorites belong into the category of
"natural objects" and not to the antiques.

And more important, other than you have it in that Schmitt/McEwans
paper,
not all meteorites in general need an export permit, but only those, so
it's
given in the 1975/1990-Act - those "related to New Zealand".
(i.e. New Zealand falls and finds).

I thought that to be important to mention,
not that collectors are worried, that those meteorites Dean was
shipping out
of New Zealand would have needed a permit or that he would have acted
illegally.


The Schmitt/McEwans paper contains so many mistakes and wrong
information -
the disadvantage of non-peer-reviewed publications - that it can't be
used
in scientific publications,
and I would ask therefore the list members not to refer to it any
longer,
neither to quote it
- but rather in case, to look up the laws in case by themselves.

Best!
Martin



-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
MexicoDoug
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. November 2011 03:30
An: Impactika at aol.com; joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com;
meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Some interesting meteorite falls of the
last
two centuries

"And what happened of the one that fell in New Zealand?"


Perhaps no export permit was applied for or approved given so it may
still be pending classification. Who classifies meteorites in NZ,
didn't Dean have a service arrangement with a local University?

Kindest wishes
Doug



-----Original Message-----
From: Impactika <Impactika at aol.com>
To: joshuatreemuseum <joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com>; meteorite-list
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some interesting meteorite falls of the
last two centuries


Thank you Phil for this list.
And thank you to all of you who told me about typos and other errors,
and
I'll fix those ASAP. But now I have a question:
Phil's list includes this Fall: Ellerslie, June 6 2004 in Auckland,
New
Zealand, and I remember Joel Schiff writing about it. However in the
Met.
Bulletin, Ellerslie is listed as an L5 found in Queensland, Australia,
in 1905.
And the only Fall listed for New Zealand is Mokoia.
So... an error???
2 Ellerslie?
And what happened of the one that fell in New Zealand?
Anyone knows????
Thanks.

Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)


In a message dated 11/22/2011 10:10:42 PM Mountain Standard Time,
joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com writes:
2004 06 12 Ellerslie, suburban 1.3-kg (2.8-lb) 7-cm x 13-cm
[19]
Auckland, N.Z. meteorite broke through roof of
house and bounced off sofa


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