[meteorite-list] Second experiment confirms faster-than-light particles

From: Steve Dunklee <steve.dunklee_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 07:55:27 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <1321804527.93561.YahooMailClassic_at_web121305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The relativistic effect of the satellites is only about 3 seconds a year. at 36k seconds a year its about 10 nano seconds a day. Me thinks 30 nano seconds might be a bit too large for the effect to be the error. It is more likely an error in the distance caused by the earths rotation and movement. They can use an phone line to see if electric signal gets there slower or faster than the neutrinos. or the proposed fiber optic line.

Cheers
Steve Dunklee

--- On Sat, 11/19/11, JoshuaTreeMuseum <joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> From: JoshuaTreeMuseum <joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Second experiment confirms faster-than-light particles
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Saturday, November 19, 2011, 2:07 AM
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matson, Robert D."
> <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
> To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" <joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com>;
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:44 PM
> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Second experiment confirms
> faster-than-light particles
>
>
> Hi Phil,
>
> It was my understanding that the mystery of the CERN
> faster-than-
> light-speed neutrino result was solved over a month ago:
> failure
> to account for the relativistic motion of the GPS clocks
> used to
> time the neutrinos.
>
> GPS satellites orbit in planes inclined 55 degrees relative
> to
> the equator, coincidentally somewhat parallel to the
> neutrino
> flight path bearing on the ground. From the satellite's
> perspective,
> both the positions of the neutrino source and the neutrino
> detector
> are changing: in this particular case, from the perspective
> of the
> GPS clock, the detector is moving towards the neutrino
> source, and
> consequently the distance travelled by the particles -- as
> measured
> in the frame of the clock -- is shorter than the distance
> measured
> on the ground. As a result, the neutrinos should arrive
> about 32
> nanoseconds early: an amount that must be doubled because
> the same
> error occurs at each end of the experiment. So the total
> correction
> is 64 nanoseconds: almost exactly what the OPERA team
> observed.
>
> If they ran the experiment a second time and got the same
> result,
> it seems to me that it is only confirming a prediction of
> special relativity.? --Rob
>
> ---------------------
>
> It seems unbelievable that the relativistic satellite
> motion has not been brought to their attention. I mean if
> you guys know about it, wouldn't they? I've also read
> elsewhere about this effect and how it could be skewing the
> results. I find it hard to believe they don't know about
> this and would not make the necessary corrections.
>
> Phil Whitmer
>
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