[meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds / Photo's

From: wahlperry at aol.com <wahlperry_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 19:21:38 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <8CDDF127A8A59F6-1B48-30D9E_at_webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Larry,

Congratulations to you and Scott on the cool finds. The pictures of
your cat are great.

Sonny


-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Atkins <thetoprok at aol.com>
To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; wahlperry
<wahlperry at aol.com>; jl <jl at hc.fdn.com>; ontheroad
<ontheroad at usairborne.com>
Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 4:03 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds /
Photo's


Hey Everyone,I just got home late last night from my extended trip out
west. Iloaded some pictures of Scott and Terri's and my finds from the
Nevadadry lake hunt that Scott reported
on.http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/Nevada%20Dry%20
Lake%20Meteorite%20Hunt%20May%202011/It's worth a glance, some of the
meteorites were very nice looking withgood crust and contraction
cracks. There's a few pictures of my cat anddog too!I had a great time
out there. Hunting with Scott and Terri is pleasure, thanks
guys!Sincerely,Larry Atkins?IMCA # 1941Ebay?alienrockfarm?-----Original
Message-----From: John Lutzon <jl at hc.fdn.com>To: U.S. Airborne
<ontheroad at usairborne.com>Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.comSent:
Mon, May 9, 2011 8:53 pmSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt,
New Lake Bed findsTerri, Scott & Sundance??Thank you for the outline of
your trek. Sounds like everyone had agreat?trip, even the sledgehammer
had a good time.??In a past life, i've had some aerobatic experiences
in a compositeGerman?Grob, supposedly rated _at_ 13g's. The most i ever
saw was 6-7 and thensaw?"grey". Don't go there!??With the very serious
issue at hand, it was quite refreshing to hear ofyour?new finds and the
story behind them!!?I envy your ability to take such trips and enjoy
the fever of "just onemore?hunt".?(are the wife and vehicles for
rent-and, most important, can Larrycook?)?Sorry Larry.??I hope others
chime in on your story and new finds.?The best to Sundance.??John
Lutzon???----- Original Message ----- From: "U.S.
Airborne"<ontheroad at usairborne.com>?To:
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>?Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 1:00
PM?Subject: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds??> Hi
All, Just a quick update from out in the field. My Wife Terri & Ihad?>
to do a biz trip to Ca to teach flying. So I made arrangements to
adda?> few weeks of meteorite hunting in on the trip. We started out
with?> blizzard conditions at lake bed #1. Two nights the temp dipped
to 15then?> 17 degrees. It was snowing, then raining, then hailing on
us for afew?> days, when out on the hunt. Lake bed 1 was a old strune
field that we?> worked over for 3 days. We recovered about 3 lbs that
totaled over600?> meteorite frags. Weather was warming a bit so we
moved to lake bed #2. It?> was real difficult getting on this lake bed
as the snow melt wasdraining?> into it and it was nearly full of water.
We still hunted the dry edgefor?> a day but no luck. There was lots of
evidence of native Americansliving?> in the area . We hit the road for
lake bed #3. We had madearrangements?> for one of our meteorite hunting
friends to come join us at lake bed#3.?> once we arrived at the
location #3 we found it difficult to find the?> correct road onto the
lake bed. During our hunt for the road out in?> remote NV. I had a blow
out on my Kawasaki teryx trailer. I had mylance?> camper on the truck ,
so I could not see or feel that my trailerwheel had?> blown, so by the
time I stopped my tire & rim were destroyed. I hadthrown?> in a spare
off my aircraft trailer before leaving the airpark. When I?> tried to
change the tire I find that my spare rim is about 1/8th inch?> larger.
So we camp for the night on this remote road. The next day I?> unhooked
the trailer leaving Terri & Sundance to to watch things. Igave?> Terri
my 9 mm to protect herself in case any yahoos gave her trouble.My?>
drive to the nearest town was a wake up call. There were no
tirestores?> left in this town. The last one went out of biz 3 days
before Iarrived?> into town. I did find a guy to help me put the rubber
off my rim thatdid?> not fit onto the smashed up rim. I had a sledge
hammer so I smashedthe?> rim into better shape. Once I we got the tire
on, it was stillleaking?> air. I beat the edge of the rim with my
sledge until it stoppedleaking?> air. To make a long story short I had
to drive about 150 miles onthis bad?> rim & tire to the nearest big
town where I got 8 ply rubber on alltires &?> two new rims. By that
afternoon we were back at Lakebed #3 for thehunt.?> Larry arrived also,
so the next day we hunted all day long with nofinds?> and nearly got
stuck in our 4x4 buggy on the wet lake bed. Then onday two?> Larry &
found the strings of gravel that we were hunting for the day?> before.
Within a minute or two Larry found 1 nice one then 5 minlater I?> found
a nice complete meteorite with flow lines about 20 ft fromLarry's?>
find. It was barely magnetic so we looked it over real good &
figuredit?> was likely a LL or possibly even more rare. It was past
lunch so weheaded?> back to base camp for lunch & tell Terri of our
finds & bring herback?> after lunch for the hunt. Once we got back from
lunch & back hunting,?> within about 10 min I was showing Terri the
string of rocks that wewere?> going to hunt real good. Just as I said
she needs to find a nice bigone,?> I look down & there was a nice 60
gram specimen right in front of me.As I?> was documenting my find.
Terri located a real nice meteorite of herown,?> it was a very nice
looking meteorite with broken fusion crust & nice?> olivine. Then just
after Terri did here pics & GPS location about 100?> yards off Larry
makes a real nice find. It was a real fresh lookingrock.?> It was
amazing as it totally looked new. So we were on a nice findingrun?> as
we hunted the long string of rocks that had been collecting inthis?>
area for ages. In the end on this new lake bed Terri recovered 1 nice?>
meteorite, Larry had 3 and I had 3. So 7 new finds at this
newlocation?> was quite nice. After looking at our finds, it looks like
4 topossibly 5?> different meteorite falls. Once they get classified
then we will knowfor?> sure if our guesses are correct on types. Larry
had to head the toeast &?> we headed west towards Ca. I was like a
Alcoholic needing a otherdrink .?> Or like a gambler that wants that
one last bet. As a meteoritehunting?> junky I needed just 1 more hunt.
Just give me one more & I will beO.K. to?> leave the lovely deserts I
love so much. I knew of other lake beds Icould?> hunt on our way west
but time was getting short. Terri was turninginto a?> meteorite hunting
junkie also after her big 7 lb find this last Febin AZ.?> and then her
300 finds at the first strune field, then her last finda few?> days
back really set the hook on her meteorite hunting life style. Sowith?>
both of us now hooked on space rock hunting, we decided we had
betterstop?> in & hunt one more lake bed for a day. I had been to this
lake bedbefore?> & found 6 small ones & 1 bigger one. But once we
arrived we found the?> lakebed had resurfaced and nothing was like it
was before. Thelocation I?> had found meteorite before was now bare of
all rocks all together.Just in?> 1 winter this area totally changed. I
followed some ice rafted rocksand?> some other debris like old rubber
tires that all got blown across thelake?> bed in super strong NE winds
& likely frozen lake bed. So we followedthe?> signs & hunted the
western shore line where it all was blown into.Within?> 15 min of
hunting that shore I located a nice 30 gram meteorite thatfeels?> like
a H to me. Terri hunted her butt off but nothing else revileditself?>
to us all morning. By noon the lakebed was a blow down & we had
toleave.?> It was a total white out of dust & very difficult to drive
or findour way?> off this now dusty mess. I found my tire tracks &
followed them offin the?> white out. Terri was driving the Kawasaki
side by side off & shesurely?> ate lots of dust on her way off the lake
bed. The blow down happenedvery?> quickly & lasted for the afternoon.
We are now in Ca. teaching flying& I?> got to say I wish I was back
hunting for flying rocks. On a greatnote, my?> wife Terri is hooked big
big time now on meteorite hunting. And I gotto?> say she is quite the
hunter gal. Also, Larry is quite the fun &knowing?> meteorite hunter &
great to hunt with. Now back to important issuesin?> trying to figure
out where to hunt on our way back home to WA State.Happy?> hunting to
all!?> When I get time I will post a link for photos.?> Scott , Terri &
Sundance Johnson?> U.S. AirBorne Sport Aviation LLC?> Eagles Nest
Airpark?> Sport Pilot C.F.I WSC-L WSC-S?> www.usairborne.com?>
info at usairborne.com?> Office 509-780-0554?> Cell 509-780-8377?>?>?>
--------------------------------------------------?> From: "Larry
Atkins" <thetoprok at aol.com>?> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 9:28 AM?>
To: <jimwooddell at gmail.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>?>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Real or not real.?>?>>?>> Greg, Jim,
List,?>>?>> I found something while following up on a meteorite lead, a
story ofa?>> witnessed fall by a farmer who picked up a 25 lb. rock
thatsupposedly?>> fell?>> right in front of him. Many years later the
great grandson wanted toget?>> the 'meteorite' but it was nowhere to be
found.?>> He enlisted me to search the property where the farm once
stood andI?>> found this enigma in about an hour. When the great
grandson saw therock?>> still setting on the ground where I found it he
got really excitedabout,?>> saying that he recognized it, I had found
the 'meteorite'.?>>?>> I almost hate to dredge this story up but it is
relevant to thethread.?>>?>> I found the rock in 2001. Within 3 weeks
of its discovery and after?>> passing through?>> the hands of several
esteemed meteorite experts It was sent to the?>> U.S.Dept. of Energy
for?>> Al 26 counting. It was deemed by the?>> U.S. D.O.E. not a
meteorite due to a lack of Al 26. When I askedwhat it?>> was they said
they did not know, they were so certain it was a?>> meteorite that they
tested it for 100 times less Al 26 than?>> they expected to find in
a?>> normal meteorite but still found none. I was told that it is a
rock?>> unlike any they had ever seen, perhaps from Disko Island (due
to itsNi?>> content) but not like anything they had seen from Disko
Island.Since?>> then, samples of it have been archived at three
differentUniverities?>> for 'future study' should anything arise (or
fall) to justify it. My?>> own amateur research indicates to me that it
may possibly be somesort of?>> impact?>> debris, possibly related to
the KT impact. Two main reasons for this?>> potential conclusion are
the fact that Argon dating puts it at the?>> right age, 75 ma. + / - 10
million, and the fact that there are some?>> unusual crystals, tiny Cr
spinels with a peculiar feature that areonly?>> found in one other
place on Earth, the KT boundary layer. Those?>> crystals, (in the KT)
are pseudomorphs after spinel and the dirt?>> immediately adjacent to
the xtals is enriched in Cr. suggesting a?>> possible relation. These
crystals in the KT layer are thought tohave?>> condensed and?>>
precipitated from the plume that shrouded the planet. There
isanother?>> camp that thinks the xtals may be from the impactor.?>>?>>
To address Jim Wooddells concerns, let me say that I was told
flatout?>> that the reason they couldn't or wouldn't take this to the
final?>> conclussion was simple, it could jeopardize future funding
and?>> professional reputation. It seems that if a scientist spends a
bunchof?>> money and wastes a lot of time on an object that turns out
to be?>> nothing, monies and reputation are at stake. I can understand
this I?>> guess, but it seems like a sure way to ensure that the really
oddstuff?>> will not be recognized unless it's an irrefutable witnessed
fall.?>>?>> Of course it could all be a big coincidence, just a man
made rockthat?>> fooled the Argon dating process. Some have scoffed at
it saying itis?>> nothing unusual, but the majority of experts say that
it is a very?>> unusual rock.?>> This is evident when looking at a sawn
surface, you ca see that it'smade?>> of minerals with texture, it looks
nearly?>> identicle to D'Orbigny. In fact, several experts thought it
was?>> an angrite at first look. When I saw D'Orbigny the first time
inET's?>> room I almost fell over. Tiny crystals in the vugs sparkling
in the?>> light like little diamonds, just like mine. On closer
examination Isaw?>> that the crystals were not the same.?>>?>> To this
day I do not know it's true origin, any meteoriticists or?>> impact
experts out there with deep pockets and nothing to lose careto?>> take
a stab at it??>>?>> I posted some pictures to photobucket.?>>?>>
http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/2001%20Find/?>>?>>
Ths is an extremely condensed version of the story, it's truly oneof
the?>> most fascinating meteorwrong stories of all time.?>>?>> Happy
Hunting!?>>?>> Sincerely,?>> Larry Atkins?>>?>> IMCA # 1941?>> Ebay
alienrockfarm?>>?>>?>> Sincerely,?>> Larry Atkins?>> IMCA # 1941?>>
Ebay alienrockfarm?>>?>>?>> -----Original Message-----?>> From: Jim
Wooddell <jimwooddell at gmail.com>?>> To: Meteorite List
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>?>> Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:47
am?>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Real or not real.?>>?>>?>> Hello
Jeff,?>>?>> The problem with that analogy is that visual inspection is
only avery?>> small part of the testing of a rock. While your post
appears to?>> suggest the scientist could not tell, it does not
indicate that any?>> testing was completed on it. What testing was done
on it????>> I could be totally wrong but sure hope that with the
bazillions oftax?>> dollars spent on funding research, in this day and
age, I would?>> suggest that there better not be a rock out there the
scientist can?>> not identify.?>> I really get the impression that
maybe the scientists where being?>> polite and not attempting to burst
your bubble??>> Respectfully, what scientist in their right mind would
turn down a?>> valid cold find or a new fall specimen? Does this
actually happen????>> Any scientists out there????>>?>> Check out my
number 4 of 4 finds on yesterday's hunt at Franconia :?>>
http://desrtsunburn.no-ip.org/DSCN0142.jpg (~5mb macro)?>>?>>?>> Kind
Regards,?>>?>> Jim Wooddell?>> http://desertsunburn.no-ip.org?>>
---?>>?>>?>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Jeff
Kuyken<info at meteorites.com.au>?>> wrote:?>>> I have a stone from years
ago that appears oriented but weathered.It?>> was?>>> originally
thought to be a planetary but that did not seem to panout?>>> clearly.
The problem was that the very qualified scientist couldnot?>> say
for?>>> sure what it was and could also not rule out other options like
an?>> Earth?>>> meteorite either. Further tests were just too expensive
and thebudget?>>> didn't allow for it.?>>>?>>> The thing is that the
stone was even taken along to one of theAnnual?>> Met?>>> Society
meetings and passed around to various people along with a?>> couple
of?>>> well known planetary scientists from NASA looking at it. A
couple?>> suggested?>>> it is likely some sort of basalt but not one
person could come up?>> with any?>>> idea of where or how it formed.
Basically they said to just waitand?>> see if?>>> any other similar
NWA's showed up over the years. I'm stillwaiting!?>> ;-)?>>>?>>> So
yes... there are definitely stones out there that stump even the?>>
best.?>>>?>>> Cheers,?>>>?>>> Jeff?>>>?>>> ----- Original Message -----
 From: "GREG LINDH" <geeg48 at msn.com>?>>> To: "meteorite-list"
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>?>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27,
2011 4:47 AM?>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Real or not
real.?>>>?>>>?>>>>?>>>>?>>>> To all,?>>>>?>>>> Are there any stones
that have been found that are unable to be?>>>> definitively identified
as a meteorite? In other words, are there?>> stones?>>>> (metal or
stony) that the meteorite experts of the world examine?>> closely,?>>>>
and then just say, "We just don't know"??>>>>?>>>>?>>>> Greg L.?>>>>
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