[meteorite-list] ANSWER - whole stone concerns
From: Michael Blood <mlblood_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 08 May 2011 18:48:15 -0700 Message-ID: <C9EC95EF.195C5%mlblood_at_cox.net> OK, I think all of you are right. Therefore, you should all send me Your entire meteorite collections - then I will be stuck with any and All fakes in your collections. Just trying to be helpful, Michael On 5/8/11 5:17 PM, "Walter Branch" <waltbranch at bellsouth.net> wrote: > Hello Michael, > > It really is not that easy. As this example illustrates, even honest > dealers can be duped. I purchase meteorites from a very small list of > dealers. Very small. I have done business with some for 15 years; two I > started buying from this year. All have earned my complete trust. > > However... > > While I trust these dealer to not intentionally dupe me, how do I know they > trust their sources and they have done their due diligence in the same way I > have? > > As an example, I applaud Anne Black for setting the example of providing > provenance for her meteorites but how am I assured the person who sold a > given specimen it to Anne did what Anne and I would have done? BTW, I trust > Anne. > > I sold some meteorites recently. I listed the dealers I purchased the > meteorites from. I sold one last week that I obtained from Matt Morgan. I > told the purchaser I got it from Matt. Did Matt vett his source, as I have > done Matt? I don't know. Did the person before them? I don't know. BTW, > I trust Matt. > > Remember the, what was it, sandstone dinosaur egg incident? > > As we can see, the chain of custody can become quite complicated. > > I have been concerned for a long time now about this sort of thing > happening. The surprising thing to me is that it did not happen sooner. > > This whole incident is really getting to me. I have had it on my mind all > day. > > -Walter Branch > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net> > To: "Richard Montgomery" <rickmont at earthlink.net>; "Meteorite List" > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ANSWER - whole stone concerns > > >>> How can I be sure that >>> any whole stone be properly labeled as classified? >> -- >> Easy, >> We have only been saying this on the list since >> The list began: Buy from a dealer known for honesty >> And integrity. >> >> God bless the IMCA and the hard workers of the >> Board BUT I do not consider an IMCA number to be >> The equivalent of "honesty and integrity." I know an >> example where two new dealers applied. One was accepted >> The other was told to, essentially, get some more experience >> Under his belt. Well, I knew him personally as a person >> Of honor. The irony was I also knew the other "dealer" and >> That individual had attempted to increase price on me >> AFTER I had sent money for a new fall. Between the >> Two, there was no question in my mind in whom I would >> Have confidence. So, no, I do not consider an IMCA logo >> Sufficient in and of itself to "guarantee" authenticity. (I >> DO consider it sufficient to pursue action if I am defrauded, >> However) >> >> Additionally, failing to KNOW people who have long >> Standing honorable dealings - such as ET, Mike Farmer, >> Anne Black, Geoff Notkin, etc, etc, etc, then I would take >> An unknown IMCA member over an entirely unknown >> entity. In fact, I would not deal with an entirely unknown >> Entity again - unless I KNEW what I was getting was >> What I was paying for through other sources than the >> Seller. (IE I could see by looking at it, it has distinctive >> Features unique to that fall, the seller bought his stash >>> From someone I know, etc). >> >> So, the answer to your question is simple: Buy only >>> From dealers you know AND TRUST or, at the very least >> from IMCA members. >> >> Warm regards, Michael >> >> >> >> On 5/8/11 8:54 AM, "Richard Montgomery" <rickmont at earthlink.net> wrote: >> >>> Hello List. >>> >>> This latest Mifflin business has me very disturbed, and brings up a >>> question >>> I've been meaning to ask you all for a while now: How can I be sure that >>> any whole stone be properly labeled as classified? >>> >>> Of course there are obvious stones like Camel Donga, (all those that >>> stand >>> alone with external character)...but up until now, only my trust in >>> reputations has allowed me to be comfortable, along with provenance and >>> labels, chain of custody, etc. Yet, now I'll hesitate to acquire whole >>> stones (one of my favorites is to collect wholes and >>> stand-up-by-themselves >>> specimens)...without knowing the back-story comes from someone with >>> honor. >>> >>> I will, however, not hesitate to buy specimens from those of you whole >>> continue to demonstrate honor. Reputations are as important as thorough >>> classifications. >>> >>> This recent incident is exactly what we don't need. If there is honor >>> anywhere, it has been demonstrated by the refundings/returns of those >>> unfortunate to have been affected. Congrats to those of you who did. >>> >>> Only finding the head of the snake will put this all to rest. Or, we all >>> carry microprobes in our backpacks. >>> >>> Richard Montgomery >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> -- >> "Teachin' a pig to dance is a waste of time and it irritates the pig" >> Mark Twain >> -- >> 1. Whenever you're wrong, admit it, >> 2. Whenever you're right, shut up. >> Shaquille O'Neal >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- "Teachin' a pig to dance is a waste of time and it irritates the pig" Mark Twain -- 1. Whenever you're wrong, admit it, 2. Whenever you're right, shut up. Shaquille O'NealReceived on Sun 08 May 2011 09:48:15 PM PDT |
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