[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 16, 2011

From: Alexander Seidel <gsac_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:37:12 +0100
Message-ID: <20110316213712.215660_at_gmx.net>

Quite a good example of an internet-meteoritefriends-connection. People who intelligently advance the knowledge about something quite special...

0098 greetings to Rob, Gary, Arnaud, and the rest of the gang! :-)
Alex


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> Datum: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:10:14 +0000
> Von: The Tricottet Collection <tricottetcoll at live.com>
> An: rlenssen at planet.nl, MeteoriteList <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 16, 2011

>
> Dear Rob,
>
> thank you so so much for sharing these photographs as well as these 2001
> posts! Very informative.
>
> Gary, you are right, must be #0098 then!
>
> I will do more research and update my S-A page accordingly
> (http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/met_sikhotealin.html)
>
>
> Arnaud
>
> The Tricottet Collection
> (Historic Minerals, Fossils & Meteorites)
> www.thetricottetcollection.com
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>
>
>
>
> > From: rlenssen at planet.nl
> > To: tricottetcoll at live.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: FW: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March
> 16, 2011
> > Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:30:19 +0100
> >
> > Hi Arnaud (and List),
> >
> > The label talk reminded me of a Sikhote Alin Label discussion we had on
> this
> > List about 10 years ago (how time flies...)
> > As the List archives "only" go back to 2004, I added two of the Emails
> > below. I think they contain information that may be of interest to you.
> > Not all of the links in there are working, but I reloaded mine.
> >
> > Here are some more photos of labeled S-A's, I collected back then (the
> > photos!).
> > Don't remember the sources. I hope the owners will forgive me posting
> > without asking permission:
> > http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Sikhote02_label.jpg
> > http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Sikhote03_label.jpg
> > http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Sikhote04_label.jpg
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Rob Lenssen
> >
> > PS: For those interested, here are some more recent photos of my best
> > Sikhote Alin:
> > http://www.asteroidchippings.com/collection_links/Sikhote_Alin_473g.html
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Namens The
> Tricottet
> > Collection
> > Verzonden: woensdag 16 maart 2011 16:22
> > Aan: Gary F; Michael Johnson
> > CC: MeteoriteList
> > Onderwerp: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March
> 16,
> > 2011
> >
> >
> > First thank you all for your nice comments.
> >
> > Gary, I thought the same thing but I would not trust their typewriters.
> You
> > can see for example that they used the letter "I" instead of the number
> "1"
> > for that specimen:
> >
> http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/img/img_met/1-5_SikhoteAlin_SAS.jpg
> > Or maybe the "8" is stretched because of the soft sticker.
> >
> > Moreover, it seems that all early numbers are very large masses.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Arnaud
> >
> >
> > The Tricottet Collection
> > (Historic Minerals, Fossils & Meteorites) www.thetricottetcollection.com
> > Facebook: The Tricottet Collection
> > Twitter: TricottetColl
> >
> >
> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> >
> >
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: meteorite-list-admin at meteoritecentral.com
> > [mailto:meteorite-list-admin at meteoritecentral.com] Namens
> geoking at notkin.net
> > Verzonden: zondag 4 november 2001 5:19
> > Onderwerp: [meteorite-list] Numbering of Meteorites + Krinov Book [long]
> >
> > Dear Dave, Rob, Steve, and List:
> >
> > I'd like to return to the thread from a few days back, when Dave Harris,
> Rob
> > Lenssen, Steve Schoner and I were discussing labels on some "old
> collection"
> > Sikhote-Alins. Collection numbers interest me, so I've done a bit more
> > research over the past few days.
> >
> > Just to recap: Dave and I both recently acquired nice, uncleaned and
> > slightly rusted Sikhotes from Rob Wesel (thanks Rob). They carry a white
> > gauze label, with four-digit typewritten collection numbers.
> > Steve Schoner was quite certain these are Russian National Academy of
> > Sciences numbers, and Rob provided some useful info and photos, and also
> had
> > a labelling question (I think I have your answer, Rob, see below).
> However,
> > the actual numbers on our specimens don't match Krinov's numbers, so
> there
> > was some doubt.
> >
> > First off, Rob, in style the labels do appear to match the photos you
> > supplied here:
> > http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SA1.jpg and here:
> > http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SA2.jpg
> >
> > I find it odd that specimens with really low numbers, like the one in
> Rob's
> > photo "0067," and mine "0112," were evidently not collected during the
> first
> > expedition to Sikhote-Alin, due to the light coating of rust. You would
> > expect the really low numbers to have been from the earliest expedition
> (and
> > therefore to be in nearly pristine condition), but I suppose they could
> have
> > been numbered out of order at a later date -- back in Moscow or St.
> > Petersburg. Or maybe they
> > were just left outside in an old crate somewhere : )
> >
> > Anyway, I have to agree with Steve S., and I think I've found proof that
> > these are official Russian labels. Earlier this year, I had the good
> fortune
> > to acquire a signed copy of Krinov's book about Tunguska and
> Sikhote-Alin.
> > This book used to belong to Dr. Elbert King, and I ended up with it
> thanks
> > to Steve Arnold of I.M.B. The book is
> > (obviously) in Russian and, as far as I know, has unfortunately never
> been
> > translated into English. My very basic Russian is not up to the task.
> The
> > title reads (phonetically) "Zhelezny Dozhd," and the cover is a
> two-color
> > reprint of the famous Sikhote-Alin stamp. On pg. 54 of the book --
> published
> > in 1981 -- is a b/w photo of a Sikhote-Alin specimen which appears to
> carry
> > the same type of label. I know it's a terribly bad quality image, but
> you
> > should have seen it before I cleaned it up in Photoshop : )
> >
> > Have a look: http://www.notkin.net/collection-numbers.htm
> >
> > Compare the b/w image to the color pic of my Sikhote-Alin "0112,"
> > immediately below on the same page.
> >
> > Steve, if you have time, it would be most interesting to see a photo of
> one
> > of your Sikhotes with the labels that you know to be from the Russian
> > Academy.
> >
> > Finally, Rob asked if anyone could help him to identify the label on his
> > collection piece here:
> >
> > http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SikhoteAlin-7a.jpg
> >
> >
> > Rob, please compare your photo to the bottom picture on my page:
> >
> > http://www.notkin.net/collection-numbers.htm
> >
> >
> > My photo is of a piece of Chico Hills, New Mexico (H4). The yellow and
> black
> > collection number appears to match the one on your specimen, and is from
> the
> > Herb Obodda Collection. Herb was a well-known mineral collector, who
> also
> > had a substantial meteorite collection. Allan Lang of R.A. Langheinrich
> > Meteorites provided me with this specimen, and the information about the
> > collection labels (thanks Allan). Hopefully that answers your question.
> BTW,
> > the other label is from the Barbara Curatin Collection (not sure about
> the
> > spelling of her name).
> >
> > Okay, I hope I haven't put the rest of you to sleep, but hopefully Dave
> and
> > Rob are happy.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Geoff N.
> >
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> >
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> >
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: meteorite-list-admin at meteoritecentral.com
> > [mailto:meteorite-list-admin at meteoritecentral.com] Namens Rob Lenssen
> > Verzonden: donderdag 1 november 2001 22:03
> > Onderwerp: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] numbering of meteorites
> >
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > It's not that I want to spoil your party, but I also own a
> > Sikhote-Alin-with-a-label, and just like you did some research.
> >
> > This is what I found:
> >
> > Krinov's book "Giant Meteorites" contains a great section about the
> > Sikhote-Alin meteorite shower. There are nice pictures like this one
> > ( http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SA2.jpg ) of some of the 313
> unfragmented
> > whole single specimens found during the 1947-1950 expeditions. It also
> > contains a complete list of all specimens found, including their Soviet
> > Academy of Sciences inventory numbers. They are all four digit numbers
> > starting at least with a "1". Lots of 1600-numbers though.
> >
> > In the journal Chem. d. Erde (15 Chem. Erde Bd. XXIX; in German) dated
> 1970
> > (Walter Zeitschel kindly provided me with a copy 6 years ago), Dr.
> Krinov
> > also reports about the 1967-1969 expeditions. Also some pictures here
> like
> > this one ( http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SA3.jpg ). Also two and three
> > number digits this time. Krinov reports about 958 more unfragmented
> whole
> > single specimens found. He talkes about good preservation of the crust,
> > although also having brown color due to oxidation. More expeditions were
> > expected to follow (1970 and later).
> >
> > Dave, your typewritten '0086'-number on a "look like linen"-label,
> reminded
> > me of a picture a saw in a dealers catalog ("Catalog and handbook of
> > meteorites") I received in 1992. Does your sample look like this number
> > "0067", I scanned from the catalog:
> http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SA1.jpg
> > ?
> > I don't know it's origin, but it certainly does not have the surface
> quality
> > of the 1947-1950 Krinov finds.
> >
> > No answers here, but I hope you appreciate the information.
> >
> > I am also still looking for information on the origin of my sample (
> > http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SikhoteAlin-7a.jpg ,
> > http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SikhoteAlin-7b.jpg ,
> > http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SikhoteAlin-7e.jpg ). I bought it from
> Eric
> > Twelker from "meteoritemarket" + like it very much. It does not look be
> > wire-brushed or chemically cleaned. Trying to find some info, I sent an
> > Email to the curator of the Soviet Academy of Sciences collection two
> months
> > ago, but did not get an answer (yet).
> > Anybody else who can shed some light here?
> >
> > Rob Lenssen
> >
> >
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: Dave Harris <entropydave at ic24.net>
> > Aan: geoking at notkin.net <geoking at notkin.net>; metlist
> > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > CC: Rob and Colleen <iguana at pcez.com>
> > Datum: donderdag 1 november 2001 19:53
> > Onderwerp: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] numbering of meteorites
> >
> >
> > >Hi Geoff!
> > >Wow! That's some detective work - amazing!!
> > >And that's also some provenance too! Wasn't Krinov the first
> > >investigator of the Tunguska event? I know that name...
> > >I am totally in love with that SA anyway - it was on the original eBay
> > >advert - I recall showing it to a (rather bored) colleague at work
> saying "
> > >that's m'boy! I want that one!", but obviously, not being in the
> > >running
> > for
> > >the whole collection I thought it impossible I would procure it - then
> > >the inestimable Mr. Wesel swoops in from no where and scoops the lot
> > >and
> > whaddya
> > >know! I get the chance to buy it!
> > >I prevaricated for a day - had I not I would have had your one too!!!
> > >So, a multitude of thanks to all of those involved - you, Steve Schoner
> > >(a name I have seen an awful lot on the list!) and Rob Wesel for giving
> > >me the opportunity to purchase this breathtaking specimen!
> > >it's gone to a great home!
> > >
> > >dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: <geoking at notkin.net>
> > >To: <entropydave at ic24.net>
> > >Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 4:14 PM
> > >Subject: Fwd: Re: [meteorite-list] numbering of meteorites
> > >
> > >
> > >> Steve Schoner posted:
> > >>
> > >> >These are original Soviet Academy of Sciences labels. That is the
> > >> >way the did it, and I have in my collection two pieces that were
> > >> >sent to me by the late Dr. Krinov in 1972 with the same type
> > >> >labels--
> > >>
> > >> Holy cow! I was hoping they were maybe Russian labels, but I had no
> > >evidence.
> > >>
> > >> Steve Schoner should know -- he is quite the expert (and a very nice
> > >> guy). This is very exciting. Okay, so if you ever decide to get rid
> > >> of that Sikhote, I'm your customer : )
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >>
> > >> Geoff N>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >Show your support at the Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund -
> >
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