[meteorite-list] Meteorite Cards - changing mass

From: Michael Gilmer <meteoritemike_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 18:39:45 -0500
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Hi Matt and List,

Yes, that is great idea. Signing the cards introduces a great
difficulty for those who seek to copy a card or produce a bogus card.
As obvious as it seems, that idea never occurred to me. Now I might
start issuing cards and signing them. I never issued cards previously
because I viewed them the same way as COA's - easy to reproduce and
not worth the paper they are printed on. But signing them makes them
more meaningful.

Best regards,

MikeG

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On 3/4/11, mail at mhmeteorites.com <mail at mhmeteorites.com> wrote:
> You bring up good points.
> Recently I have been signing my cards, as some others did (Hupe, Haag). Very
> difficult to copy my signature. This may stop one from being unscrupulous.
> Matt
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Gilmer <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 18:24:33
> To: Mike Bandli<fuzzfoot at comcast.net>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; Rob Lenssen<rlenssen at planet.nl>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Cards - changing mass
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> This is just my opinion, so others' mileage may vary.
>
> I do not include specimen cards with the pieces I sell for one primary
> reason, explained below.
>
> 1) I include a small identification label for each specimen that shows
> the name of the specimen, type, location/date of the find/fall and my
> URL.
>
> 2) I do not include the original specimen card (from the dealer I
> acquired it from) unless it is specifically requested. If the buyer
> requests it, I will provide a copy of the original card.
>
> Personally, I do not find specimen cards to be a convincing method of
> proving provenance because anyone with a printer can make a copy of
> any specimen card they want. With a scanner, a person could copy any
> specimen card in the world and insert whatever information they want
> using Photoshop. To me, such cards are nice to have, but they prove
> nothing. The same can be said for "certificates of authenticity"
> which are not worth the paper they are printed on.
>
> In my view, you either trust your dealer or you do not. A card or
> certificate might make one feel better about provenance, but it
> ultimately means or proves nothing.
>
> Having said that, I enjoy specimen cards and I collect them. I have a
> large box full of cards from dozens of different dealers and
> collections. But I do not count them as "proof" that a given specimen
> is genuine. I trust my sources for that authenticity, not the small
> printed cards they give me.
>
> Best regards and happy collecting!
>
> MikeG
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> On 3/4/11, Mike Bandli <fuzzfoot at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Hi Rob,
>>
>> Make your own card that reflects the updated weight and include the
>> original
>> dealer/collector card that reflects the old weight.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Mike Bandli
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Rob
>> Lenssen
>> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 1:45 PM
>> To: 'Rob Wesel'; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Cards - changing mass
>>
>> Hi Guy's,
>>
>> Thanks for the answers, but - except Stuart's - they are not answering
>> the
>> question "how to deal with changing mass".
>> I think everybody will agree that the original card must stay with the
>> piece.
>>
>> I make my own cards only for stones I bought in Morocco and had
>> classified
>> myself.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rob
>>
>>
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>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> Van: Rob Wesel [mailto:nakhladog at comcast.net]
>> Verzonden: vrijdag 4 maart 2011 22:38
>> Aan: actionshooting at carolina.rr.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com;
>> Mike Bandli; 'Rob Lenssen'
>> Onderwerp: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Cards - changing mass
>>
>> In response to Stuart
>>
>> Nininger, DuPont, LaPaz....
>>
>> Not IMCA members but I'm glad they made those cards
>>
>>
>> Rob Wesel
>> www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
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>> From: <actionshooting at carolina.rr.com>
>> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 1:33 PM
>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Mike Bandli"
>> <fuzzfoot at comcast.net>; "'Rob Lenssen'" <rlenssen at planet.nl>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Cards - changing mass
>>
>>> I agree. I keep all the cards you guys send me when I purchase. I have
>>> been thinking about doing my own card but it really is meaning less
>>> not being an IMCA member or the original finder.
>>>
>>> Maybe make an "entry" on the back of the original card as to whom you
>>> received it from and forward it when you sell it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Stuart McD
>>
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