[meteorite-list] Meteorite Cards - changing mass

From: Stuart McDaniel <actionshooting_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 19:42:31 -0500
Message-ID: <F7381D20183E45D5AAC3A46D5297B456_at_StuartMcDaniel>

I like that idea if there is some where to verify the signature.
But in today's electronic world, verification is only an email away!



Stuart McDaniel
Lawndale, NC
Secr.,
Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society
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Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com ; Rob Lenssen
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Cards - changing mass

You bring up good points.
Recently I have been signing my cards, as some others did (Hupe, Haag). Very
difficult to copy my signature. This may stop one from being unscrupulous.
Matt
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Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215

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From: Michael Gilmer <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 18:24:33
To: Mike Bandli<fuzzfoot at comcast.net>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; Rob Lenssen<rlenssen at planet.nl>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Cards - changing mass

Hi Gang,

This is just my opinion, so others' mileage may vary.

I do not include specimen cards with the pieces I sell for one primary
reason, explained below.

1) I include a small identification label for each specimen that shows
the name of the specimen, type, location/date of the find/fall and my
URL.

2) I do not include the original specimen card (from the dealer I
acquired it from) unless it is specifically requested. If the buyer
requests it, I will provide a copy of the original card.

Personally, I do not find specimen cards to be a convincing method of
proving provenance because anyone with a printer can make a copy of
any specimen card they want. With a scanner, a person could copy any
specimen card in the world and insert whatever information they want
using Photoshop. To me, such cards are nice to have, but they prove
nothing. The same can be said for "certificates of authenticity"
which are not worth the paper they are printed on.

In my view, you either trust your dealer or you do not. A card or
certificate might make one feel better about provenance, but it
ultimately means or proves nothing.

Having said that, I enjoy specimen cards and I collect them. I have a
large box full of cards from dozens of different dealers and
collections. But I do not count them as "proof" that a given specimen
is genuine. I trust my sources for that authenticity, not the small
printed cards they give me.

Best regards and happy collecting!

MikeG

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On 3/4/11, Mike Bandli <fuzzfoot at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi Rob,
>
> Make your own card that reflects the updated weight and include the
> original
> dealer/collector card that reflects the old weight.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike Bandli
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> Lenssen
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 1:45 PM
> To: 'Rob Wesel'; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Cards - changing mass
>
> Hi Guy's,
>
> Thanks for the answers, but - except Stuart's - they are not answering
> the
> question "how to deal with changing mass".
> I think everybody will agree that the original card must stay with the
> piece.
>
> I make my own cards only for stones I bought in Morocco and had classified
> myself.
>
> Best,
> Rob
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>
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> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Rob Wesel [mailto:nakhladog at comcast.net]
> Verzonden: vrijdag 4 maart 2011 22:38
> Aan: actionshooting at carolina.rr.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com;
> Mike Bandli; 'Rob Lenssen'
> Onderwerp: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Cards - changing mass
>
> In response to Stuart
>
> Nininger, DuPont, LaPaz....
>
> Not IMCA members but I'm glad they made those cards
>
>
> Rob Wesel
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> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 1:33 PM
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> <fuzzfoot at comcast.net>; "'Rob Lenssen'" <rlenssen at planet.nl>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Cards - changing mass
>
>> I agree. I keep all the cards you guys send me when I purchase. I have
>> been thinking about doing my own card but it really is meaning less
>> not being an IMCA member or the original finder.
>>
>> Maybe make an "entry" on the back of the original card as to whom you
>> received it from and forward it when you sell it.
>>
>>
>> Stuart McD
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