[meteorite-list] Tile Glows

From: Richard Montgomery <rickmont_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 20:50:43 -0700
Message-ID: <E20DD2D9AB904ED3894ACD5AA60DB740_at_bosoheadPC>

Long before the first Shuttle mission, I recall being somewhere at a party
where some fella pulled out of his back-pack what he called a
Heat-Tile...and proceeded to give a demonstration: he literally held the
tile in his hand and fired it with an acetylene torch. The torch-side
glowed red-hot and he still held it in his hand.

Then the Space Shuttle.

Back then (1978-maybe80???)

I mention this because I witnessed it in private hands before anyone
"publically" knew of the technology....shedding some light upon 'widely
gurded secrets.'

Back then I was into frisbee freestyle and remembering my undergraduate
degree was sort of important....wasn't taking many notes.

Pondering "before-factors" and more,
Richard Montgomery




----- Original Message -----
From: <cdtucson at cox.net>
To: "'Michael Gilmer'" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>; "'MexicoDoug'"
<mexicodoug at aim.com>; "John.L.Cabassi" <John at Cabassi.net>
Cc: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust


> Blaine Reed had an actual shuttle tile in his room at the Gem show. I
> don't recall the price.
> This was a real actual tile with numbers on it indicating where it went on
> the shuttle not just the material used to make real tiles as indicated on
> this web site.
> Blaine's was significantly more expensive because it was real but, I don't
> think it was flown in space.
> I was able to hold it. It weighs almost nothing. It feels like you are
> holding chalk, NOT ceramic tile.
> Carl
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> ---- "John.L.Cabassi" <John at Cabassi.net> wrote:
>> http://www.thespaceshop.com/shuttilin.html
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
>> Michael Gilmer
>> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 8:20 AM
>> To: MexicoDoug
>> Cc: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust
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>>
>> Hi Doug and List,
>>
>> Doug - it is great to see you posting again. I have missed your
>> insights. :)
>>
>> They are selling heat tiles from the shuttles at KSC? I didn't know
>> that, and I want one!
>>
>> I've been meaning to acquire some more space-related items - aerogel,
>> heat shield tiles, etc.
>>
>> Do they have a website where I can order the tiles, or do I need to
>> visit the gift shop in person?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
>> PS - is there somewhere online to buy the Russian tiles also?
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>> On 6/25/11, MexicoDoug <mexicodoug at aim.com> wrote:
>> > JG wrote to MG:
>> > "What law are you talking about?"
>> >
>> > Ditto! A fact-supported discussion would be so much nicer.
>> >
>> > It is my understanding that when Apollo lost its funding, oodles of
>> > relics entered the private domain and there wasn't much ado about it -
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>> > rather, a tacit acceptance and a party atmosphere pervaded in the wake
>>
>> > of Moonphoria and non had any scientific value at the time. Where are
>> > the retroactive vigorous sting operations hunting down these national
>> > treasures? I am sure the same "laws", whatever they might be, cover
>> > them.
>> >
>> > Post-facto contrived rules are a violation which seems to date to the
>> > Magna Carta and any remotely civilized society. All material loaned or
>>
>> > provided in exchange for analyses to be done which is covered by
>> > modern agreements (as Jeff alludes to) has a clear paper trail, but
>> > there are the nonsensical cases like tape on the Hasselblad magazines
>> > demonstrate how ludicrous things can become for reasons foreign to
>> > science and domestic to collectors willingness to pay. I take my place
>>
>> > behind the line of those who have already pointed this out.
>> >
>> > Moon specimens that were incidental and innocuous gifts of
>> > questionable or no value at the time seem to have taken a special
>> > place. But, there are other exceptions as well. As I peruse the aisles
>>
>> > of the gift shop at KSC I am tempted to buy a Space Shuttle heat tile.
>>
>> > Yet NASA has allegedly gone on record saying that it will not dispose
>> > of them by sale to the public (reason: we could be liable for
>> > unintended harm they might cause). Rumor has it that the Soviet Buran
>> > tiles are more interesting to collect and Russia has no such hang ups
>> > over them, so I'll hold out for one of them. If I had an American one
>> > it would not be satisfying in present company. I couldn't freely share
>>
>> > it with my international friends without risking being thrown in jail
>> > for providing sensitive military secrets to other nations... at least
>> > that is the rumor on how it was for a long time ...
>> >
>> > There is a clear demonstration of double standard and a willingness to
>>
>> > invent retroactive laws, which should be prohibited constitutionally,
>> > but the American system separates the judicial and that makes
>> > legislation from the bench a convenient option in cases like this. How
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>> > frustrating for Mr. Rosen, the guy who bought the gifted moon rock
>> > from a Honduran official for a large sum of money. The government
>> > simply snatched it from him and it was not because the Hondurans filed
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>> > a claim. If he had been compensated for his recovery of the specimen
>> > it would be different in my view. But the way it went down, there is
>> > reason to be wary of the court's freeloading and arbitrary mindset in
>> > these cases. It is quite removed from science and boils down to
>> > politics and setting cruel and unusual precedents at the expense of
>> > citizens for prior shoddy control practices. Mr. Rosen, the owner at
>> > the time of the Moon rock was never charged with any criminal activity
>> > - they just took the rock plaque and left him to brood. If they could
>> > have charged him I sort of think they would have given the zest to
>> > make examples out of people. But they got what they wanted - a
>> > precedent of no-ownership when before there was none to my knowledge.
>> >
>> > I would point out that this nonsensical legal gymnastic that seems to
>> > have developed ought to be applied to each and every scientist in the
>> > United States that is on any payroll or grant for a project who
>> > supposedly buys specimens in his free time. How different is such
>> > piggybacking from the microgram residues on a piece of tape out of a
>> > camera? How did Dr. King amass that huge personal collection on many
>> > field trips to places such as, aw, forget it. Not worth going into, it
>>
>> > would be more counterproductive than good to go there.
>> >
>> > Best wishes
>> > Doug
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Jeff Grossman <jngrossman at gmail.com>
>> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> > Sent: Sat, Jun 25, 2011 8:34 pm
>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust
>> >
>> >
>> > What law are you talking about?
>> >
>> > On 6/25/2011 7:55 PM, Michael Gilmer wrote:
>> >> Hi Jeff and List,
>> >>
>> >> What strikes me here is that NASA has 842 pounds of lunar material
>> > and
>> >> they are apparently bent out shape over a few milligrams of dust
>> >> clinging to a piece of scotch tape. It's absolutely silly and it
>> >> speaks of skewed priorities.
>> >>
>> >> It was mentioned to me in private email by a respected list member
>> >> that the NASA samples in question were not addressed by the law until
>>
>> >> 1972. If that is true, then it seems to me that any sample removed
>> >> legally prior to that date would be "grand-fathered in" as legal.
>> >>
>> >> A relevant example would be trinitite. Trinitite removed before the
>> >> law specifically addressed it is legal. However, going to the site
>> >> now and removing trinitite is illegal. Another example would be
>> >> Canyon Diablo iron meteorites - those CD meteorites removed before
>> > the
>> >> "prohibition" are legal. Those removed today are illegal because one
>> >> must trespass to get them. The devil is in the details - how does one
>>
>> >> distinguish a legal Diablo meteorite from an illegal one? And how
>> >> would one determine a legal piece of dusty tape from an illegal one?
>> >>
>> >> ATTENTION GOVERNMENT - STOP PISSING AWAY OUR TAX MONEY CHASING AFTER
>> >> DUSTY TAPE! Instead, here are some suggestions for using our tax
>> >> money - build homes for the homeless, feed the hungry, offer medical
>> >> care to the sick, create jobs for the unemployed, fund the sciences,
>> >> or any number of things that are more important than dusty tape.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >>
>> >> MikeG
>> >>
>> >
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