[meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha

From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 00:37:35 -0700
Message-ID: <BANLkTimqOUNw1OcvEyjDV-cccSN3-460VA_at_mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,
Please be aware that the seller (Lahcenia Ait Ha or Lacenia Ait Ha --
or apparently Lahcen Ait Ha) has changed his facebook user name and is
now going by the name Lhou Ait Ha.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000954047781

I de-friended the fellow some years ago because his communications
made me uncomfortable. He didn't have any references, and I found a
negative past reference to him on the list:

http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com/msg56009.html

My last communication with him was in 2010. Apparently he's still around...

Dan -- please think about what you are suggesting. Would you say the
same thing to all US dealers if one of them was proven to have somehow
swindled people? Maybe, but I have the feeling that such a demand
would seem a little over-the-top. You are indeed entitled to your
opinion.

Regards,
Jason



On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Dan Furlan <danfurlan at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?I'd like to speak for myself ?and say I'm not ordering anything from
> Morocco until Gary gets his money back. ?I just canceled an order for
> 75 kilos because I am not risking my money with somebody who may know
> this guy who ripped off Gary. ?I do not support this kind of behavior
> and i already heard to be careful when dealing directly with the
> Moroccans. ?What just happened to Gary didn't happen from some fly by
> night con artist, this guy has sold stuff before and is known amongst
> the Moroccans. ? It's going to take a lot more then throwing a few
> names at me to earn my trust I want to see them do something about
> this and self regulate themselves before i send a few thousand dollars
> by western union. ?Anyways this is how i feel and im entitled to say
> and do whatever i want especially since i know Gary and I am very
> upset in learning that he got cheated out of his hard earned money.
> The honest Moroccan dealers need to be concerned when somebody from
> their circle of business associates is pulling scams as it has a
> ripple effect on their over all image.. the same concept applies when
> IMCA is concerned when one of their own isn't playing by the rules,
> same principle in effect here according to me. ?this is my opinion and
> i stand behind it 100%
> Daniel Furlan
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:37 AM, bill kies <parkforestmet at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This is going way too far. Nobody over there owes anyone jack. To insinuate that honest dealers in Africa or anywhere else have a responsibility to hunt down deadbeats is moronic. We know the risks involved unless we WERE born yesterday. I believe I speak for "everybody" when I say you don't even come close to speaking for "everybody".
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:21:20 -0400
>>> From: danfurlan at gmail.com
>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.comki
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
>>>
>>> I would like to see that every Moroccan dealer who knows this
>>> disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they can to help
>>> Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans lots of
>>> business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy to hunt
>>> down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with him. A few of
>>> the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary Fujihara
>>> to build trust with me. The same people who use Gary's name to build
>>> trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional courtesy and
>>> have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure he
>>> sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogus
>>> rocks back to Morocco. We are not stupid people in North America and
>>> we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i
>>> say we want to see Gary get his money back. Find a way to make it
>>> happen, end of story.
>>>
>>> Daniel Furlan
>>> collector and dealer
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