[meteorite-list] [IMCA] Collateral Damage.

From: Count Deiro <countdeiro_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 20:34:07 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Message-ID: <6683623.1309836847373.JavaMail.root_at_wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Eric,

Thanks for the analysis and the words of warning. Others on List have said the same thing and I did post a reply. I will be even more careful about our security which at the present is pretty formidable. Security Guard resides on property, sophisticated alarm systems, Doberman Pinscher. All who live at Villa Kismet have CCW's and customarily go armed.

I no longer will meet people at my residence. Too many of you say it's too risky.

Best to all,

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536

-----Original Message-----
>From: Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
>Sent: Jul 3, 2011 1:18 PM
>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Collateral Damage.
>
>Good point Richard and Jim! I didn't even think about this angle, and it
>really makes a lot of sense. My warning flag waved when I read about
>them showing up a day early, but I dismissed it because of these
>people's perceived plight. Perhaps this "family" wasn't a family at all,
>and were as Jim pointed out, grifters.
>
>I was in Quartzite for the first time ever last year. I wandered the
>show all day for one day with my family. Some of the dealers and people
>we met and spoke with were pretty shady characters. Many times the
>dealers approach you directly like a hungry car salesman with beady
>little xray eyes. Bad breath, stinking and sweaty, gold teeth and rotten
>ones too. Some of them reminded me of the pirates of old, only they had
>rocks instead of ships. All of them had the "best quality" rocks you
>ever saw at the "best prices". Yeah...
>
>The family that met with the Count, that supposedly got "ripped off"
>very well may not have. It might have been a con like Jim and Richard
>suggest to separate the Count from his hard earned money. Now they know
>that the Count has real meteorites! That fact should give pause for
>increased security.
>
>I mean seriously... What idiot would hock all their shit for a box of
>rocks after watching a TV show?
>
>Even if they did, it's caveat emptor, and the buyers fault for trying to
>buy and sell something they know nothing about. What if someone you
>didn't know came up to you and said they had a product you knew nothing
>about but that could make you loads of money? Would you be foolish
>enough to hock all of your belongings to buy a product you know nothing
>about, from someone you don't know, for a huge amount of money and still
>blame a TV show you watched the other night for your troubles? No, of
>course not. That would be silly wouldn't it?
>
>This story sound fishy. Either A) They're telling the truth, were
>ignorant of the product they were buying, their judgment clouded by
>greed and desperation, and they got conned. or B) They were the cons.
>
>My questions to the Count:
>
>Did these people seem very upset when they found out that their rocks
>were not meteorites? You said she and her husband "looked stricken".
>Maybe that was shock that you knew what you were talking about, and now
>they know you have real meteorites.
>
>I mean, if their story were real, their genuine sadness, embarrassment,
>and anger would have shown through like a beacon in the night. Did they
>show any kind of emotion that would support this, or did they just shrug
>it off and move on? Did the "quiet husband" get angry and say to his
>wife, "see, I told you so..."?
>
>and
>
>Have you stepped up your security at your home, just in case these guys
>were the cons, and might come back knowing you have lots of valuable
>meteorites?
>
>I don't want to make you feel uneasy, but... Be careful. Maybe the quiet
>husband was watching. This people might be back.
>
>Regards,
>Eric
>
>
>
>
>On 7/3/2011 12:30 PM, Richard A. Kowalski wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> I'm a little disappointed that the Count used an inflammatory subject
>> line, but I think understand the reason behind its use. I expected and
>> am not surprised to see the bashing of the Meteorite Men show. I've
>> shared my opinions about the show in the past so will not say more
>> about it other than I doubt very much the show had anything to do with
>> this event.
>>
>> (BTW, if I am not mistaken, the 3rd season is in production right now,
>> so my guess is any program ideas might get considered if they get a
>> season 4...)
>>
>> I'm in more of the opinion that the Count met with grifters. Jim
>> Wooddell first mentioned this idea on the Met List so I am in
>> agreement with him on this.
>>
>> The whole thing sounds suspicious to me. It sounds more likely that
>> their hope was to meet with someone who did NOT know what they were
>> doing and sell their crap to him. Maybe I'm wrong here. Count spent
>> time with these people and has a better vantage point, but as soon as
>> they showed up unexpected, a day early, the red flag started waving
>> for me.
>>
>> Count mentions the "husband". Here's a strange bird. Seriously, do you
>> know of any man who has children to feed, that will allow anyone to
>> essentially give away all their worldly possessions just for a box of
>> rocks?
>>
>> I certainly hope the truth is this and not the story that was told to
>> Count. That indeed would be sad. I also hope the Count stops giving
>> out his home address to complete strangers. A neutral location to meet
>> is always a much better idea. The next "seller" may not be so friendly
>> and be more interested in taking possession of his collection than
>> adding to it...
>>
>> Cheers from balmy Tucson. Only reaching 40C (105F) today!
>>
>> --
>> Richard A. Kowalski
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