[meteorite-list] NASA sues Moonwalker Astronaut
From: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:00:52 -0400 Message-ID: <8CE0883113B9C9F-1B44-3A6F2_at_webmail-d139.sysops.aol.com> Hi John - Thanks for the well placed 'humor' and getting me to wiki Moon seeds to find out what you were talking about ! One of those "Moon Seeds" is less than 50 miles from me. If I could, it'd be time for a picnic while the now nearly 30 year old sycamore is in seed itself, to gather up some second generation Moon seeds. Because it is at a public library, would I get in trouble if I packaged the seeds as Moon tree spawn and sold them on eBay for a starting price of $0.01 each but a reasonable shipping cost to reflect their odyssey? If not, how about waiting in the street for a few helicopter seeds to float my way? I guess it's ok, if this is any guide: http://www.historictrees.org/produ_ht/sk_moon.htm None on eBay I could find, at the moment ;-) Best wishes Doug -----Original Message----- From: John.L.Cabassi <John at Cabassi.net> To: 'MexicoDoug' <mexicodoug at aim.com>; meteoritemike at gmail.com; Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Jul 4, 2011 12:27 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA sues Moonwalker Astronaut I'm just wondering what it's going to take and where they are going to store them reference to Moon Trees. Cheers John Cabassi IMCA # 2125 -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of MexicoDoug Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 8:29 AM To: meteoritemike at gmail.com; Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA sues Moonwalker Astronaut Yes, Mike, the misplaced priorities given NASA's budget woes were not lost on me when thinking of the young lawyers working for or being retained by NASA to harass these true Human (and American) heroes, for the little perks enjoyed by the guys that were the common practice at the time among all astronauts, and just as well could have ended up in a garbage dumpster or some warehouse which was later auctioned off to the public for two cents per item if that. These are all violations of the Astronaut's rights under the US Constitution's Bill of Rights: Fourth, Fifth as well as Fourteenth amendments. As for the statute of limitations question, usually statutes of limitations doesn't apply to governments ;-), but that is predicated on the premise that they weren't allowed to have these mission scraps at the time and that they just as well couldn't have been thrown away or lost forever if not for the nostalgic instincts of these guys. (sound familiar?) Norm's comment on the shoulder patch was a good one. Lots of authentic patches out there now that the number of Astronauts are dwindling. Michael Collins flight suit was recently up for sale also. It was recovered from his old locker when they cleaned it out by his personal trainer at the time ... Best wishes Doug -----Original Message----- From: Michael Gilmer <meteoritemike at gmail.com> To: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug at aim.com> Cc: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Jul 4, 2011 10:26 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA sues Moonwalker Astronaut Hi Doug and List, Happy Fourth of July to our astronauts who are being harassed for having garage sales! What an absolute waste of taxpayer money and manpower (again). At what point did our government go an Syd Barrett acid trip and not come back? This kind of thing sickens me. It makes me ashamed to be associated in any way with our mentally-defective government. Has all common sense and decency gone out the window in this day of lawsuits and ignorance? The elites and their sycophants don't care that people are losing their homes, going hungry, and going without medical care in this country. But yet we can piss away vast sums of money to investigate, harass, and prosecute people for selling dusty swatches of tape and old obsolete cameras. It's friggin disgusting. I've been saying this for 20 years and now the people are finally catching up with what I have been saying - this government needs to be replaced from the ground up. It's broken, it's been co-opted by megalomaniac elitists, and the fed is being used as a tool to oppress the people. Our founding fathers are rolling over in their graves over 1000 things, and now this campaign of astronaut harassment makes it 1001 things. What message does this send to science-inspired youngsters who might pursue a career in the space program? ---> "Hey kids! You'll retire poor and your pension won't cover your basic expenses, so when you try to have a garage sale, you'll be harassed for it and threatened with criminal charges so we can prevent the spread of dirty tape and obsolete cameras! God Bless America!" I really need to stop reading or answering these posts before my coffee kicks in. Is my vitriol running too freely this morning? LOL Best regards and best of luck to our HERO astronauts, MikeG -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- On 7/4/11, MexicoDoug <mexicodoug at aim.com> wrote: > http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/90053154?U.S.%20government%20sue s%20former%20astronaut%20over%20lunar%20camera#ixzz1R7PMDp3p > > Dear list, > > This is a very relevant case to meteorites and should not be taken > lightly. > > They're at it again ... rewriting history and after 40 years of NASA's > permission to take mementos from the Apollo era - now suing the sixth > man to walk on the moon, Edgar Mitchell of Apollo 11, for trying to > sell the camera they allowed him to have ... the precedent, I suspect > is the identical one to the dust on the tape, which didn't exist, but > they are gunning for now. > > Again, we are faced with the erosion of sensible property rights, a > violation of traditional English and Roman law regarding the importance > of possession IMO, in an effort to legislation effort from the bench at > its finest (sarcasm). The question at hand: Can we apply today's > standards retroactively to say NASA was wrong to allow astronauts to > have things that were of no use to NASA at the time and with the full > knowledge of NASA allowed to be kept by those involved. After 40 years > of knowledge that the astronaut possessed this camera and other sundry > things, it becomes a precedent, and NASA is even painting an American > hero with a scarlet letter of "T" for "Thief".... > > From the article: > > "During the Apollo mission era, Mitchell said he and other astronauts > got permission to take mementos from the spacecrafts. "We have dozens > of pieces. All of us who flew to the moon," he said in a Palm Beach > Post report. > > Mitchell's lawyer, Donald Jacobson, said, "Objects from the lunar trips > to the moon were ultimately mounted and then presented to the > astronauts as a gift after they had helped NASA on a mission." > > The government is asking the court to order Mitchell to hand over the > camera, and declare that it has "good, clean and exclusive title" to > the piece of space history. > > > Best wishes > Doug > ______________________________________________ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listReceived on Mon 04 Jul 2011 01:00:52 PM PDT |
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