[meteorite-list] Organics on Mars
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 09:18:06 -0500 Message-ID: <AANLkTimyG3ajhRfEUQLicCGF_HLX11VcKa3XoztUD12N_at_mail.gmail.com> Hi Martin, Count, and List, Sales of all SNC meteorites are now suspended until further notice....... ;) Best regards, MikeG ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- On 1/8/11, Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de> wrote: > Hi Count, I bet both won't happen. > > After the somewhat overhasty and in the end a little bit almost embarrassing > announcements around ALH 84001 years ago. NASA wouldn't think twice, but a > hundred times, before declaring former life on Mars. > Such a claim would need a very strong evidence at least. > As it touches one of the largest question ever with remarkable impact not > only on science, but also on culture, philosophy, religion ect.pp > (Shhht younger folks: Star Wars, Star Trek, the Uncle from Mars etc, isn't > reality. Reality is so different from that genre. So much more exotic and > fascinating! > NOTHING stalwart we have yet in our hands, which could make us sure to a > certain degree, that indeed there is life elsewhere in cosmos. All so far > speculations, assumptions, probabilities). > > Organics aren't such - as McKay was quoted too. > To postulate life or a former life out of the presence of organics, would be > the same as to say, that comets would have been inhabited by life-forms, > because amino acids were found in some of the carbonaceous chondrites > or to conclude that Roscosmos had secretly developed the warp drive, because > large clouds of alcohol were detected in farer space between the stars. > >>Unfortunately, the loons > > No. Remember, that the 40-years jubilee of Apollo was a gigantic media event > around the globe, with an increased demand for lunar meteorites. > Nevertheless the prices remained constantly low and often close at the > historic all-time-low. > Or think about the Martians, which exploded in price during the last four > years only, and not, when the Martian Renaissance started long before with > all the orbiters and the first rovers, neither a jump happened, when the > final evidence was delivered by the rovers, that the shergottites definitely > are laying around on Mars' surface. > > Price explosions are caused - if we let isolated cases, like media-hyped new > US-falls, aside, where on the one hand specialized falls collectors are > eager not to miss them out and on the other hands particularly laymen, but > also curators pay here and there attention - quite always caused not by the > demand, but by the supply side. > > Simple example - Sikhote multiplied in prices within shortest time, after > the strewnfield was exhausted. > Gebel Kamil was now cheap (despite the media), will be later more expensive, > when the main load will be absorbed. > And the main factor unfortunately for price inflations are for years now the > artificial shortage of meteorites, caused by the introduction or the > persistence of improper legislation, preventing new finds. > Gibeon is only a small example, Campo will follow btw. Gibeon, > but the main problem is, and here we observe already partially dramatic > price increases, is that the most productive find areas of the World were > and are now closed by the will of a handful unschooled barbarians, > Oman, Australia, Sahara, down to such hysterical actions like happened in > South Africa, Namibia, China, Poland, Argentina, Denmark.... > This shortfall of new finds can't be compensated by Antarctica. > > The scientific landscape will be poorer - researchers, collectors and > curators by far won't have that choice anymore and will have to spend a > multiple for their - compared to former times: few - meteorites. > For some of them it will be the end of their occupation with meteorites. > > If not right away the real scientists find together to form a corrective for > these destructive ones among their fellow-scientists, > then we all can forget it. > Then all that, what the great majority among the professionals and amateurs > so laboriously and so incredibly successfully had built up over the recent > decades, will be lost. Irretrievably. > > Well, looking back, we should be content with ourselves, that we permanently > recommended to the collectors as well as sometimes to the curators too, to > built up also a collection with the rarer and rare types from the hot > deserts, as long as it is still affordable and as long as it is still > possible at all. > > Most of us, and neither many of the researchers, hadn't fully got it, what > we had. An epochal period in meteoritics. Never in history, there were so > many new finds made on the globe, like in the first decade of the 2000er > years. > And according to the will of a few, never again in future so many new finds > shall be ever recovered. > We all took notion of how a few countries forbade with their laws all > private involvement and with that also the meteorites themselves, and we all > rather found it amazing, how incredibly stupid people can be in these single > countries. - Now we face that on a global scale. > > To come back, Count, to the Martians. > Who knows? Possibly there are laying some Martian rocks here around, with > remainders of cellular and fossilized life inside. Also ALH 84001 - check > the launch pairing numbers - certainly isn't alone. > And never in history of mankind the odds and chances, that such a meteorite > will be recovered were larger, > to answer one of the mightiest question men was asking. > Alas, I fear, the stones lay on Australian, Omani or Algerian soil - and > everyone, who would accept that task to find it, would be declared by that > kind of above mentioned people to commit a crime. > We have the technical abilities perhaps, to go to Mars and to retrieve > samples there and to dispatch them back to Earth. But they would be only > very limited spot tests. The technical means we have, but the financial > ones, we hardly can bare. > So we will never know. Because a handful clerks and a handful curators and > some people, who seriously pretend to be meteoricists prevent such stones > from being found. > (Sometimes I almost think, they must be acolytes of a creationist sect, that > they are so eager, that no meteorites at all shall be found, those stones, > which are all soooo much older than bishop Ussher allows to that sect. > Rrrocks older than all others here on Earth. Not thinkable, if they would > have evidence of life in a different place! A global sect, as patriots they > aren't, so much damage they cause to the meteorite research and the national > collections of the individual countries, which are paying their salaries :-) > > Hey Count, gosh, we can't all, researchers and privateers, emigrate to > Canada or USA or Germany, where true interest in meteoritics exists, and > reason rules between civilized persons and which therefore will stay > liberal, only because some extremists usher in one country after the other a > meteoritic McCarthy-era. > > We had it all and we had all possibilities. > Dramatizing? Not at all. The change, we're facing will be dramatic. > > And unfortunately I'm too old, but have no grandchildren, that I or them > could live until Antarctica will have compensated, what these guys and gals > destroy now. (Gosh, why one can't retrain them to fields like artifacts, > environment, protected plants... I guess they would be so much more happy > and meteoritics would get rid of the most hindering obstacles). > > Well, it's the old problem. Meteoritics as a branch of science is an unknown > niche. > That's why the prohibitionists do have carte blanche. > Count, how many of these countries with such kind of legislation are able to > run a space program? > A planetary space program? Also compared with Earth-bound astronomy, > seen the costs, the results and the possibilities meteorites offer, one > can't have any form of space exploration that efficient and that cheap like > meteoritics. > Perhaps one should inform the individual ministries of science in these > individual countries about, > to make an end to that menace and to guide the lost prohibitionists back to > be occupied with research on meteorites and not in abusing their expensive > and rare time to eliminate all chances for new meteorites being found. > > Hope rules, > maybe we will see one day the recovery of such a Martian. > Hopefully it will happen in a country, where the finder isn't forced by laws > to keep the stone unanalyzed as doorstop or where he leaves it where it is, > because he doesn't want to waste nerves, time and money, in being harassed > by the state and the mettalibans. > > Seen the technical limitations of rock analyzing in situ on a far world (or > even such things to dig deeper, to drill in the soil there) and seen the > enormous costs such efforts and missions consume, > I almost would think, that such a recovery rather or earlier would be made > in meteorites than with space probes. > > > Aaaaaaand to proof, Count, that I don't believe, that a SNC-price-explosion > will take place for that reason you forecast, > I'll email you privately to foist the very last slice of one of the most > spectacular looking shergottites upon you, still at a price from years ago. > > Best! > Martin > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Count > Deiro > Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Januar 2011 20:40 > An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: [meteorite-list] Organics on Mars > > They've been sitting on this for thirty years. I predict NASA will confirm > biological life has existed on Mars by the end of the year. The price per > gram for SNCs will explode. Unfortunately, the loons out there will be > pushing the ersatz martians and the main stream media will be complicit. > > http://news.discovery.com/space/viking-mars-organics-experiment.html > > Best to all, > > Count Deiro > IMCA 3536 > ______________________________________________ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > --Received on Sat 08 Jan 2011 09:18:06 AM PST |
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