[meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}

From: Michael Gilmer <meteoritemike_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:24:39 -0500
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Hi Tim,

Did it start rusting after the process was finished and it was shipped
back to you, or did it start rusting again while still under Pat's
care? I'm just curious because I have not yet seen his process done
on Admire and I'd be keen to see some photos of the finished piece.

Maybe it's just my eye, but I think Admire and Brahin share some
general similarities in aesthetic appearance - the shape and nature of
the metal matrix mostly and not so much the olivines. Both of those
pallasites are generally considered to be rusters, and I have two of
Pat's Brahin pieces here right now and they are gorgeous and stable.
So, stay hopeful about your Admire. If Pat can save a rusty Brahin, I
bet he can save your Admire. :)

I bet you did a little dance when you found that kilo-sized hunk of
Admire! Congratulations on the find.

Best regards and happy huntings,

MikeG

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On 2/23/11, Tim Heitz <midwestmeteor at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Hello List,
>
> Pat is working on a 1.2 kilo piece of Admire I found last year, yes it
> started rusting.
>
> I will know the results soon, what I have seen so far, I think I will be
> stop the rusting.
> I will come back to the list with my findings.
>
>
> Tim Heitz
>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Gilmer" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" <joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 8:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Trials and Tribulations in
> DealingwithLando wners
>
>
>> OR, put the Admire masses through the Pat Mulvany process, which will
>> render them completely stable on par with Esquel or the world's most
>> stable pallasites.
>>
>> Admire is a pretty meteorite, and once the rusting issue is taken care
>> of, it can stand on it's own against other pallasites.
>>
>> No need to dissolve them in acid and try to sell the gemstones as jewelry.
>>
>> Doubt Pat's process? That's fine - hang on to your rusters until they
>> fall apart.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
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>>
>> On 2/22/11, JoshuaTreeMuseum <joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>> OK, fair enough.
>>> So anyway you get Paloma Picasso to design some matching sets of
>>> necklaces,
>>> bracelets, earrings, tiaras, rings with shooting star themes. Then have
>>> the
>>> writers think up some kind of plot device to get Lindsay Lohan on the
>>> show.
>>> Maybe have her waltz into Tiffanny's while Paloma is showing her pallidot
>>> jewelry. Then LiLo could shoplift the necklace and viola, a free media
>>> advertising blitz. It's a win-win situation. Next thing you know 50-Cent
>>> will have a pallidot set in his front tooth. Phil Mickelson will give his
>>> wife a pallidot encrusted tiara for their anniversary. There will have to
>>>
>>> be
>>> movie tie-ins like "Diamonds are a Girl's Best Friend." Liz Taylor will
>>> wear the world's largest faceted pallidot pendant. Baguette cut
>>> engagement
>>> rings will become all the rage........
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>> Phil Whitmer
>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello List,
>>>
>>> Wow, what an outpouring of comments today.
>>>
>>> Let me bring all of you up to speed on this.
>>>
>>> Five years ago, I partnered with around 10 or so friends and they
>>> combined
>>> some money, and I offered up some time and we started hunting for
>>> meteorites
>>> together. We choose to go to a certain location in Kansas where
>>> pallasites
>>> had been found in the past.
>>>
>>> We chose this location after I had my success locating some pallasite
>>> meteorites at the Brenham strewnfield.
>>> We got land leases to hunt, without any promise of any big money, no talk
>>>
>>> of
>>> Millions, or thousands or even hundreds of dollars to anyone. We just
>>> started hunting and we started finding meteorites. Some of my friends,
>>> at
>>> least 8 of us in the group, were very connected meteorite dealers and we
>>> decided to try to sell some of our finds, we tried and we tried and we
>>> tried, and we sold one meteorite. We contacted virtually all the
>>> institutions with notable meteorite collections and none of them wanted
>>> to
>>> either buy or to trade for any of our specimens. The one sale was made,
>>> and
>>> the land owner from where this meteorite came from got his contracted
>>> percentage royalty, and he was VERY pleased. It was truly money from
>>> heaven
>>> for him.
>>>
>>> The meteorites from this particular location have the reputation of being
>>> the worst rusting meteorites known to man. Far worse than Campo, Nantan,
>>> Brenham or any other "ruster" one can think of. So we could understand
>>> why
>>> no one wanted to buy any more of this meteorite. It was just too big of a
>>> risk for people to take.
>>>
>>> As we kept finding more and more meteorites, we were challenged with the
>>> supply and demand issue. Much supply, virtually no demand. Not a good
>>> outlook.
>>>
>>> Then one of the dealers in the group reminded us of the high quality
>>> gemstones that had been faceted from the peridot in this meteorite. So
>>> we
>>> took the specimen in the worst condition out of our inventory and
>>> practiced
>>> trying to free up some of the olivine that was in it, and sure enough,
>>> there
>>> were some amazing gemstones produced.
>>>
>>> A year and a half ago, we went to all the land owners where we had found
>>> meteorites and told them that if we would liquidate all the meteorites we
>>> found, we probably would only get $0.10 or $0.15 per gram. But we felt
>>> that as gemstones, we could make more money for everyone.
>>>
>>> We decided to incorporate our partnership as Palladot Inc, a Kansas
>>> corporation, that focused on selling meteorites, mostly in gemstone
>>> format.
>>> I am the President, and Jason Phillips is our C.E.O.. We hired Charles
>>> Ellias, who is a graduate gemologist with 25 years of experience in the
>>> color gemstone market, to manage our operations, including overseeing the
>>> faceting, grading and pricing and marketing of the gemstones.
>>>
>>> Our original contract only promised the landowners that they would earn
>>> their royalty on the "wholesale" sale of the meteorites. We told all the
>>> land owners we wanted to pursue the gemstone market as there was very
>>> little
>>> demand in the meteorite world for the specimens as meteorites. It was
>>> one
>>> of the landowners that actually suggested "pooling" all of the royalties
>>> together, so we wouldn't have to melt down every meteorite, and this way
>>> all
>>> the landowners could still share proportionately by their contribution in
>>> the profits.
>>>
>>> It was at that point, that in the spirit of full discloser, we explained
>>> how
>>> the gemstone market gave us the best up-side potential for earnings. If a
>>> market could be built for these most amazing and rare gemstones with a
>>> fascinating story, then we would have the supply to fill the demand
>>> created.
>>> And yes, IF there would be millions of dollars of demand created, we
>>> would
>>> have millions of dollars of gems.
>>>
>>> All of the land owners, except for one, agreed to pool their royalty
>>> interest together and join us in the gem market.
>>> The one landowner that didn't want to go to the gem business with us, was
>>> happy to take his portion "in kind" and we gave him his meteorites. All
>>> the
>>> others signed a new agreement that pooled their royalties together.
>>>
>>> One year ago this month, we started selling Palldot Pallasitic Peridot
>>> gemstones at the Tucson show (specificially at the Pueblo Show at the
>>> Executive Inn.) It seems we chose the worst year, economically speaking,
>>> since the Great Depression to start a business...not to mention, a
>>> business
>>> in the luxury jewelry market.
>>> But we still made some sales, and our business is growing.
>>>
>>> Now, back a year and a half ago, the deal we made was that we would share
>>> the royalty to the landowners based on the retail profits rather than on
>>> the
>>> wholesale sales. The landowner who was featured in this local TV story
>>> we
>>> are all talking about, actually had his attorney look over the new
>>> pooling
>>> agreement. In fact, his attorney made some suggestions to alter it, and
>>> we
>>> agreed to his suggested changes.
>>>
>>> There NEVER was any promise of "getting rich quick." Never. Getting
>>> rich
>>> over time...maybe, if we played our cards right.
>>>
>>> But we did state that the sale of just a few gemstones could yield more
>>> money than the whole meteorite could fetch on its own.
>>>
>>> So, for the last several months, this one landowner has been trying to
>>> get
>>> Jason and me to "alter his contract." If it were just a matter of making
>>> him happy, there wouldn't be a problem. BUT there are ALL the other
>>> landowners that we are in binding contracts with. We would make the
>>> others
>>> very mad if we gave into this one man's demands at their expense.
>>>
>>> Of course, if we were in breach of contract, there would be legal
>>> remedies
>>> this man could take. But we aren't in breach of the contract so he chose
>>>
>>> to
>>> threaten us with going to the investigative reporter at a TV station with
>>> his story. We discussed some options that we could offer him, and still
>>> keep the other land owners happy, but they were not what he wanted, so he
>>> went to the reporter anyway.
>>>
>>> At the start, I think the reporter thought there was this huge story, but
>>>
>>> I
>>> spent nearly two hours of interviews with her, and when she heard my
>>> side,
>>> the only thing she had left for her story was that this one landowner was
>>> "not happy" that he hadn't seen any profits yet.
>>>
>>> Well, I am "not happy" that we haven't seen any profits either!
>>>
>>> But we are doing the best we can.
>>>
>>> We are making sales, and when there are profits, the stockholders will
>>> get
>>> dividends and the landowners will get royalties.
>>>
>>> We have invested over $100,000 and somewhere north of 3,000 man hours
>>> into
>>> this one project. This landowner has invested zero dollars, and zero
>>> hours.
>>> There are a lot of other people that have far more invested, and we ALL
>>> want
>>> to see a return. He will be entitled to his share when profits are
>>> generated just as he agreed to a year and a half ago.
>>>
>>> Now, let me also remind you that news reporters don't care about telling
>>> the
>>> whole story. They only had a few minutes for the segment, and while I
>>> share
>>> all of this with the reporter, she (and her editors) decided to run the
>>> story for ratings purposes. Because, everyone I have talked to said this
>>> really is a "non-story." Millions of people everyday are not happy with
>>> contracts they entered into in the past. It isn't news. Nowhere in the
>>> contract does it say that each landowner "has to be happy." In fact,
>>> that
>>> is why you have contracts, because, inevitably, people often become less
>>> than happy with the deals they struck over time.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, we have an obligation to our shareholders, and to the
>>> landowners
>>> to press on and do our best to make all of us as much money as we can.
>>> It
>>> might be sad if what we are doing was hurting science, but to be honest,
>>> if
>>> there wasn't the potential for profit with the gemstones, we would have
>>> quit
>>> hunting a long time ago, and a lot of these rocks would still be
>>> underground
>>> rusting away anyway.
>>>
>>> I know this explanation won't make everyone happy, but I have learned a
>>> long
>>> time ago that it isn't my job to make everyone happy.
>>>
>>> I just do the best I can with the hand I am dealt.
>>>
>>> Feel free to contact me off the list if you have any further questions.
>>>
>>> Steve Arnold
>>> President, Palladot Inc
>>> Co-Host Meteorite Men
>>> ArnoldMeteorites.com
>>>
>>>
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