[meteorite-list] PayPal eCheck rate hike

From: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 13:43:00 -0400
Message-ID: <8CE322EBBC486EB-1FE8-6139_at_webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com>

Dear List, this is pretty serious and relevant to the meteorite trade:

Looks like PayPal slipped one quietly past us: No more $5.00 eChecks,
now they charge the same fee on everything, whether from a credit or
debit card, your money in their custody, or now just to broker a check
out of your bank account.

Effective Date: Jul 12, 2011

? Amendment to the PayPal User Agreement

Purchase Payment Fee cap for Sellers who receive eCheck payments. If
you are a Seller, your Purchase Payment Fees are set out in Section 8
(Fees). Currently, your Purchase Payment Fee for eCheck-funded payments
is capped at a maximum of $5.00. After the effective date listed above,
this $5.00 cap will no longer be applied. Your Fee for receiving
eCheck-funded payments will continue to be calculated according to the
rates set out in Section 8.

Best wishes
Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Twelker <meteoritemarket at gmail.com>
To: MexicoDoug <MexicoDoug at aim.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 26, 2011 1:22 pm
Subject: Re: bencubbin


Hi Doug

     The money has re-accumulated, so I sent off the refund. There is no
cash
flow issue here, I was just being lazy. BTW, PayPal charged $21 for
fees on
this. I will have to see if they changed their echeck policy. A paper
check
would definitely be appreciated. Thanks!

    Eric

On Aug 24, 2011, at 7:45 PM, MexicoDoug wrote:

> Hi Eric,
>
> Thanks for the moral support, it is truly a mammoth task;
>
> On the eCheck - let's avoid any extra effort, and as you mention
there really
is no reason from my side at all to go out of your way ... the next two
weeks
are fine. I would suggest this or in the next week or two - whatever
is
convenient for you. One thing is to have to put effort forth, the
other is to
be smart about avoiding all these transaction fees which certainly are
annoying
and benefit neither of us! PayPal will charge you $0.30 as a fee for
the the
refunded $830, so they will effectively remove $830.30 from your
account -
typical nickel and diming that adds up to big bucks for them.
>
> Here's what I suggest now. Whenever you get around to it, do the
refund for
the $830.00. There is absolutely no rush on my part. As soon as you
do that,
I'll generate a paper check which my bank mails you first class for the
sum of
the mystery stone slice. Receive it about 3 business days later and
deposit it
at your convenience, then mail out my meteorites when it's cleared to
your
satisfaction. That will save you $9.70, and give me the satisfaction
of knowing
the transaction fee fell to $0.30 for you. If something else comes up
in the
interim time, I can add that to the sum of the check, or send a second
check if
the first has been already mailed.. I just looked over your site and
didn't
notice anything else, unless possibly if you have a Uwet hexahedrite
specimen
that isn't listed for a good price - nothing special that locality, but
I'm
always up for a hexahedrite to add especially when it doesn't look like
an
imperfectionless scrap metal cut (inclusion, etc.)
>
> If you need the cash flow that is a separate matter - we can do the
PayPal
eCheck - I have no complaint nor preference whatsoever if the cash flow
benefits
you and we actually get a service out of PayPal, which at the moment is
only a
parasite on the transaction, just like the 9% fee for eBay online
auctions when
friends buy from friends ...
>
> En fin - you have my consent!
>
> Best wishes
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Twelker <meteoritemarket at gmail.com>
> To: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug at aim.com>
> Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:38 pm
> Subject: Re: bencubbin
>
>
> Hi Doug
>
> Sorry to hear that things continue to be difficult there. I
admire your
> willingness and tolerance for the task. I hope my children are as
good to me.
>
> As for the payment, I can't refund the echeck just now because I
just drew
> down my account. I could put the money back from my bank, but since
there is
no
> rush, perhaps I should just wait. I'll be able to do a re-do in a
day or two,
I
> expect. So, with your consent, I'll just wait. Thanks!
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Aug 24, 2011, at 3:27 PM, MexicoDoug wrote:
>
>> Hi Eric
>>
>> I've had a real difficult care-situation here so I didn't answer due
> to my
> lack of time and juggling priorities which completely eclipse any
semblance of
> life frequently, actually still in the middle of it trying to
re-establish
> all...since you comment that there isn't an obvious benefit not to
polish it,
> and it is unlikely IMO that my glass polishing would do much better
even with
> TLC, best I leave that to your able hands and take care of things
here ranther
> than think of what's fun for me to do - that's the reality. Oh well.
>>
>> Don't send anything just yet, please; as for PayPal the payment
> should be all
> in one transaction, I'd be glad to redo it for the full amount ($5 is
$5
better
> in your pocket if not mine). I have absolutely no time sensitivity
on these
> meteorites, so unless you need to ship quickly to maintain your own
> organization, please don't sweat it in the slightest. If I thought
I'd have a
> few hours to sit down and do anything like meteorites it would be
different.
>>
>> So: the plan then is to polish the slice you selected for me, let me
> know how
> to pay (i.e., if you can refund an eCheck and then get a new one for
the
greater
> amount, obviously waiting for it to clear before shipping) which is
all fine
> with me since for all I know I'll find something else to add from
your site if
I
> can steal some time to look more, in which case the best thing to do
is
> understand that this slice is sold but pending payment in case I want
to add
> something else, say, in the next 7 days during which you don't do
anything
> except keep the ponies fed so they are ready to pick up the mail and
get it to
> me as fast as an old-fashioned stage coach. If you don't want to
fool with
the
> old payment, just let me know how and when you prefer the next payment
> considering there possibly might be more if we come to further
agreement.
Btw,
> if you want a regular check through my online banking I can send
that, too and
> you get an old fashioned printed check to deposit in the mail which
my bank
mail
> quickly to you - just let me know how to make out the check and
confirm the
> mailing address.
>>
>> Meanwhile I need to get time, time time, to care, eat, sleep, and of
> course
> look at meteorites and imagine I am doing some hunting, classifying,
and
> research while nice guys like you let me get a tiny vicarious thrill
of
> participation.
>>
>> Kindest wishes
>> Doug
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Eric Twelker <meteoritemarket at gmail.com>
>> To: MexicoDoug <MexicoDoug at aim.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:27 pm
>> Subject: Re: bencubbin
>>
>>
>> Hi Doug
>>
>> Your echeck cleared and I was wondering about sending along the
> Bencubbin.
>> Should I put in the NWA, polish it, or what? Let me know and I'll
> get a
> package
>> on the way. Thanks!
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Aug 19, 2011, at 10:28 PM, MexicoDoug wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Eric ---
>>>
>>> This is a very exciting report, though I find it funny they wrote
> all
>> of that
>> without doing a thin section (???).
>>>
>>> Well, of course that makes the material more interesting. I am
>> wondering -
>> sometimes on the cuts on chondruly things, the contrast is better w/o
> polishing
>> - what is the case with this one? Pick the most educational one for
> me. If
> you
>> sent me an unshaven piece, could I just as well polish it (how much
> loss would
>> tyhere be, guestimate), or is there some specific grits or lapping
> maching
>> you've had better luck with (I do mine all by hand on glass)?
>>>
>>> You'll have plenty of chance with all that mass to get all the
>> duplicates of
>> all the versions you want of it. I always come out better when the
> specimen
>> gets picked out for me anyway, and you are much more familiar with
> this
> material
>> than I.
>>>
>>> As for Darryl Pitt's specimen, I think he's a great guy of course,
>> but
>> honestly there is too much fluff for me to wade through and I would
> never get
>> involvedf in that particular meteorite as much as I respect him. If
> you have
> a
>> authentic Semarkona then we need to talk! But the preliminary
report
> seems to
>> rule out that,
>>>
>>> Thanks also!!!
>>> Doug
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Eric Twelker <meteoritemarket at gmail.com>
>>> To: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug at aim.com>
>>> Sent: Thu, Aug 18, 2011 4:11 pm
>>> Subject: Re: bencubbin
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Doug
>>>
>>> I do have lots of the mystery rock left. I sold what is pictured
>> there
>>> almost immediately at $20/g. Of course the comparison is to 5717,
>> which looks
>>> identical to me. But then, I can't be sure, so I really don't know
>> how to
>> price
>>> it yet. I am still waiting for a final result on the
> classification.
>> And
>>> another problem is that even if it is in fact identical to NWA 5717,
>> I am not
>>> convinced that the classification of that stone was done properly.
>> (I will
>>> attach a non-public preliminary report on the classification that a
>> student of
>>> Sasha Krot's did. The work is still underway.) I have a few slices
>> that are
>>> about 10g and have good surface area ~60-70x25mm. I could part with
>> one of
>>> these for $15/g. If this sound like it's in the ball park, I'll
>> finish
>>> polishing some of these and get exact weights. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 18, 2011, at 11:21 AM, MexicoDoug wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Eric,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for "Ben" and great to say hello to you and (I assume)
>>> your wife
>>> - Please don't ship for a few days (definitely wait for my payment
> to
>> clear as
>>> is protocol). I really don't have any time to appreciate what I'm
>> getting at
>>> the moment so there is no rush...something else could catch my eye
> or
>> possibly
>>> twist your arm ;-). The "Mystery Rock' looks interesting, for
>> example - do
>> you
>>> have any slices of it left *and if so* at a cost (which at this
> point
>> I have
>> no
>>> idea) that you feel should make me happy? I'm always up to
>> vicariously enjoy
>>> the fun of classification and that is a very busy matrix...
>>>>
>>>> Kindest wishes
>>>> Doug
>>>> under thundershowers from the Sunshine State ... One of those days
>>> the heart
>>> yearns for big open spaces mountains, crisp air they pipe hot by
>> afternoon,
>>> boulders and evergreens
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Eric Twelker <meteoritemarket at gmail.com>
>>>> To: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug at aim.com>
>>>> Sent: Wed, Aug 17, 2011 8:24 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: bencubbin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Doug
>>>>
>>>> It was good to talk with you just now . . . I got the Bencubbin
>>> out and
>>>> looked at it with a hand lens. I didn't see any sign of glue,
epoxy
>>> or other
>>>> sort of filler, so it looks like a go for $830. My PayPal address
> is
>>>> meteoritemarket at gmail.com. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 17, 2011, at 4:17 PM, MexicoDoug wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> hello
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

  
Received on Fri 26 Aug 2011 01:43:00 PM PDT