[meteorite-list] Which came first the chicken or the egg?

From: Martin Altmann <altmann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 12:07:40 +0200
Message-ID: <001801cc04c2$f45ace20$dd106a60$_at_de>

Hi Shawn,

as far as I know,
the first lunar meteorites recovered were the three Yamatos in 1979.
Nevertheless they weren't recognized as lunaites before ALH 81005 was
recovered and discovered to be a lunar.
It's said, that Haag reminded photos of these meteorites, when he had
Calcalong in his hands and suspected it therefore to be a lunar.
Millbillillie - there was a fireball sighting in 1960, but the first stone
was found not before 1970.
When exactly the stone of Calcalong was picked up from the strewnfield - at
best Haag perhaps knows it if at all. Else I think, it's impossible to know.
Millbillillie is by far the largest eucrite fall ever, the 869 among the
HEDs - still today from three eucritic stones on Earth two are a
Millbillillie and certainly, I suppose, the strewnfield isn't exhausted yet,
especially because Australia turned into a no-go-area for expert hunters.
That's a little bit tragically - the majority of lunaite-finds came in
multiple stones.
So if Calcalong Creek stems from the Millbillillie area - the chances for
finding more stones are the best of all, because the hunt there for the
professional expert hunters would be potentially anyway rewarding due to the
additional Millbillillies to be found - so that the chances to generate the
manhours necessary (and to bring the efficient expert eyes there) free of
costs are better than anywhere else on the globe.
Though currently politics is the obstacle, so that we still have to wait for
a change, until the first Australian moon rock will be on display in an
Australian museum.

Best!
Martin
 

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Shawn
Alan
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. April 2011 07:10
An: Frank Cressy
Cc: meteoritelist
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Which came first the chicken or the egg?

Hello Frank and Listers,

Why I asked this question was because a couple weeks ago I sent out some
emails on a project I am working on and someone had suggested that I should
have ALHA81005 with the project I am doing because it was the first Lunar
meteorite found. Thats some big new for the meteorite/science world. I got
to looking around and saw that the date was 1981 or 1982 when the lunar was
discovered and I had also noticed on the Meteoritical Bulletin Database that
Calcalong Creek was discovered 1960. I had also read other sources that
stated that the Calcalong Creek was found after 1960 but before 1990 by an
Aborigine meteorite hunter in the Millbillillie strewnfield. Science likes
to be 100% right so to say that the ALHA81005 was the first discovered lunar
meteorite has some doubt in my mind because of the project I am doing. Yes I
can agree that the ALHA81005 is the first classified meteorite, however to
say that it was the first lunar to be found has some little doubts
 because of what had be going on in Austrial from 1960 to 1990 with the
collecting of the Millbillillie meteorites. I would like to see or hear what
Robert Haag can recall from that day when he found that specail meteorite.
Hes the first source and could help enlighten what he can recall from the
day he found the first lunar meteorite out side of Anartica and could also
be the first found lunar as well. Hope he reads this and can put some light
on to this fasinating discovery.

?
Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633
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--- On Tue, 4/26/11, Frank Cressy <fcressy at prodigy.net> wrote:

> From: Frank Cressy <fcressy at prodigy.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Which came first the chicken or the egg?
> To: "Shawn Alan" <photophlow at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "meteoritelist" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 8:33 PM
> Shawn,
>
> I think you've misinterpreted your source a bit.? It says
> that Calcalong Creek
> was found?AFTER 1960.? As I remember it Millbillillie
> fell in 1960, but no
> meteorites from?that fall?were found until the early
> 1970s.? Many stones were
> found in the 70s and 80s and are still being found today.?
> There is no data as
> far as I know as to when Calcalong Creek was actually
> picked up.? Haag found
> Calcalong Creek in a box of Millbillillie stones stones he
> purchased?in1990 or
> 1991 and he recognized it as "different" then.? Unless you
> can say exactly when
> Calcalong Creek was picked up I think you have to go with
> ALHA81005 as the first
> lunar.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Frank
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com>
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 5:59:05 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Which came first the chicken or
> the egg?
>
> Hello Listers
>
> The question is which came first the chicken or the eggs?
> Well lets get back to
> the but I have a better one, which came first Calcalong
> Creek Lunar?or ALHA81005
> Lunar ? Sources and research states that ALHA81005 was the
> first Lunar
> meteorite. But how can that be? Calcalong Creek meteorite
> was recovered by an
> Aborigine meteorite hunter in the Millbillillie strewnfield
> in 1960 ish and
> discovered by Robert Haag in 1990 ish. Now wouldn't the
> statement make more
> since if it read like this.......
>
> Calcalong Creek meteorite was the first discovered Lunar
> meteorite and ALHA81005
> was the first classified Lunar meteorite?
>
>
> These sources state this........
>
> ALHA81005
>
> Whats special about this one?
>
> It's the first rock found on Earth recognized to be a
> meteorite from the Moon.
> Compositionally, mineralogically, and texturally it is
> unlike any other lunar
> meteorite.
>
> http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/alha81005.htm
>
>
> Calcalong Creek
>
> Whats special about this one?
>
> It was the first lunar meteorite to have been found outside
> of Antarctica.
> It is the only lunar meteorite to have been found in
> Australia.
>
> http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/calcalong.htm
>
>
> I would say the links are partly right but feel that
> Calcalong Creek should also
> say that it was the first found Lunar meteorite.
>
>
> So now what came first Calcalong Creek or ALHA81005 or can
> we say the chicken?
>
>
> Shawn Alan
> IMCA 1633
> eBaystore
> http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
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