[meteorite-list] Meteorwrongs and Meteorites

From: cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 18:32:32 -0400
Message-ID: <20110421183232.3Y77R.155559.imail_at_fed1rmwml4201>

Adam,
Your initial agreement with Carl made me chuckle a bit.
It is as if you were saying everybody already known's which is real and which is not prior to study.

I feel the same way about lottery tickets. Why waste your time buying the losing numbers. it ties up all of the time.
You should only buy winning tickets?

I know what you meant but, sometimes those little devils can be tricky and if we don't study them we will never find any NEW species of previously unknown meteorites.
We need a balance between the known's and the unknowns.
Not all scientific theories have to agree with the previous theories.
 
I admire the Scientists that are willing to look beyond what they see with their eyes alone.
Like Carl said. " not everybody has a SEM in their basement".
Carl

Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax


---- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I privately fund the initial study and characterizations of pieces I sell. I
> have from the beginning before this model became poplar when most were using
> UCLA and other institutions that were free of charge.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jim Wooddell <jimwooddell at gmail.com>
> To: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 2:16:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorwrongs and Meteorites
>
> Hi Adam and Carl!
>
> Are you a private institution or publicly funded?
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I could not agree more. People often forget that there is considerable costs
> > involved in characterizing real meteorites and for some reason they expect
> this
> > service for free. Meteorite-wrongs tie up a lot of resources and are a drag
> on
> > the few laboratories that are qualified to study real meteorites. I do not
> >think
> > there is a laboratory left in Arizona that will still take "meteorites" from
> >the
> > general public for study. This is due to the increase in meteorite-wrongs
> that
> > waste every bodies time. If this increase in meteorite-wrongs continues,
> expect
> > a lot more laboratories to be off-limits.
> >
> > Researchers valuable time is better spent on real meteorites rather then
> >telling
> > somebody they are not the latest millionaire.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Carl Agee <agee at unm.edu>
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 9:41:59 AM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorwrongs and Meteorites
> >
> > My take on this is the following. Most people who come to us with a
> > suspect meteorite are for some reason expecting that identification
> > costs us nothing, and that we can glance at sample and give quick
> > answer. So when they go to an average geology department and get a
> > "free" meteorite screening they may often get what they pay for --
> > someone's best guess -- often of dubious merit. Of course there are
> > many samples that are so obviously meteorwrongs that a quick glance is
> > all that is needed. But - I would never tell someone they have an iron
> > meteorite before I had at least run an EDS analysis on it for Fe and
> > Ni. And that's just the start -- if you want to know what kind of an
> > iron -- well that's a lot more work still! But of course not everyone
> > has an SEM in their basement. And guess what? These instruments cost
> > money, and the technicians who keep them running are paid salaries. As
> > for stones, yes, I can tell you fairly quickly, running a calibrated
> > electron microprobe, if your sample is a eucrite, ureilite, lunar,
> > martian -- or a just terrestrial basalt. So this is the dilemma that
> > we often face: definitive answers usually take time, money, and
> > expertise -- there is no free lunch for good data.
> >
> > --
> > Carl B. Agee
> > Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
> > Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
> > MSC03 2050
> > University of New Mexico
> > Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
> >
> > Tel: (505) 750-7172
> > Fax: (505) 277-3577
> > Email: agee at unm.edu
> > http://epswww.unm.edu/iom/pers/agee.html
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