[meteorite-list] BS In The NYT: Black Market Trinkets From Space

From: Martin Altmann <altmann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 04:12:24 +0200
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Hi Carl,

we can discuss until a meteorite will slay us.
In the end all what counts is only, what the laws say respectively what the court says.
So far I couldn't see anyone, neither any of the scientists involved in Gebel Kamil, nor Dr.Harvey, nor Dr.Planche, nor Dr.DiMartino, nor any Egyptian citizen,
who was able to give us the Egyptian law.

Everthing else is hypothetically.
Dull clamour.

The colour of the market is white.

What shall these please be for a black market, where the goods are traded for everyone visibly and easily accessible?
What shall this be for a black market, where each new good must be first officially verified by an institute and is later - and that for all new goods of the world - centrally registered with all data including often enough the holder of the good with his postal address - and published for everyone accessible for free?

Those strange people always blathering about "black market", that they even are not able to type the simple tag: "meteorite meteorite name sale" into any search engine or to use the Meteoritical database,
is the best evidence for that they have absolutely no clues at all about that, what they are talking.

In which collecting field else do you have such a transparency????????????

And the white doesn't get any stains, if an uninformed outsider claims, that it would be illegal, but can't deliver any stalwart law.

Egypt - haven't you seen what happened almost 10 years with Oman?
Partially rude and spiteful impeaches and propaganda in the media, on the list here, in web and in almost every second scientific publication.
And that was coming solely and always only from the side of the scientists and so called "officials".
So much, until all really thought, that the Oman stuff would be illegal.

Now after 10 years we have a decision of a court in Oman,
which said, if it was correctly reported:
All legal. And if not perfectly legal, after 90 days it is.


And unfortunately, that ugly climate, that vitriol is now permanently brought into meteoritics by just such people, like we have it now seen in the NYT article.
So it's IMHO really somewhat mistaken to blame e.g. a TV-series for that.
The poison and in the end the catastrophe always comes from those few lonely ones from the science side, whose days seems to be too long for them.

And that we hadn't in the 30s 40s 50s 60s 70s...
Perhaps a little bit in the 80s and 90s. Hihi Carl, some of these yellers are still afraid of a phantom called Haag!!


And for me it is still a riddle. Those who always complain, those who insult us and their colleagues, those who cry for laws,
none of them was ever giving a reason, none of them was able to tell, what a ban of all private involvement would have for a concrete advantage for them!

These people have no ideas, no vision, no insight - they have only one aim: All must be ours.
And get so blind over it, that they can't foresee, that they will get so less than ever down to nothing!
And meanwhile, I think, none of us has any idea anymore, how one could help these people.
Here definitely the problem is, we as private enthusiasts, as non-scientists are of course all suspect.
I fear, only their colleagues, the scientists could bring them perhaps back to reason.


That is extremely worrying and dissatisfying.
Also not such a fine feeling, to know, that one is still young enough,
to witness the death of meteoritics.
And meteoritics will die silently. Inwardly after short illness.
R.I.P. Ernst Florens - we all will forget you.


Martin


PS:
Hi Richard M. - huh NYT has an cooperation with my home newspaper.
Monday morning, it brings always a selection of NYT articles in English.
But only the best ones, so I hope that next Monday when I'm drinking my morning coffee,
I don't have to read here, that a Mr.Harvey, whom I don't know at all, called me a criminal.
Cause then I'll write to NYT the most grave Bavarian insult here: That his mother is a bad cook.
Received on Mon 04 Apr 2011 10:12:24 PM PDT