[meteorite-list] NWA 6292 (BRA) IS paired to NWA 5400 !

From: Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 09:19:03 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <865230.42769.qm_at_web46401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

>> the difference between NWAs and all the other falls is that NWA nobody knows where the strewn fields are.

Same can be said for many US falls when strewnfields are likened to gold claims and the data is kept secret.
The strewnfield for Whetstone is still not known publicly or even listed in the metbul. You may have 5-10 people in a small collective who know and that is it.

Then take other finds where people intentionally provide wrong co ordinates to keep others from finding material (as pointed out recently on here)

The world of meteorites is very secretive and the major focus for many is purely the money to be made.

Its not about TKW, its not about actual rarity. Hell, Whetstone is the most common type of meteorite and yet people are asking for more per gram then an angrite sells for currently!

At the end of the day, meteorites and values are more based on who has the material, who has access to the material and strewnfield and how much can be made off it.

Almahatta Sitta is another great example. One dealer has it and can set the price to what they wish. When asked, they would not even give a discount for a state college to obtain a sample for study... If thats not about the money and not the science, I dont know a better example to offer.


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--- On Tue, 9/28/10, Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 (BRA) IS paired to NWA 5400 !
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 28, 2010, 11:45 AM
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> Adam wrote:
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> This issue is not unique to NWA meteorites. The same thing
> could be said for
> Antarctic or other desert finds. Yes, Antarctica is a
> desert. The same issue
> applies to falls. How much Allende is really out there?
> Nobody knows for sure,
> the same can be said for Murchison. You can make the same
> claim for just about
> any fall.
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> Adam the difference between NWAs and all the other falls is
> that NWA nobody knows where the strewn fields are. As for
> the rest, there is data on strewn fields and correct
> documentation that is used to asses the fall or find.
> ?
> But with a NWA I find that people say that only buy my NWA
> because its the real deal and the pairs are inferior. The
> problem with that is with NWAs are collected and through out
> the months or year the same meteorite gets recycled back to
> dealers and in a since every NWA stone has to be classified
> cause of the collection process.
> ?
> Good example is NWA 2999, I think this meteorite has 2
> other pairings if not more and think how many pairs it will
> have in a few years from now? And another good example is
> NWA 5400 which could have a few pairs, which are very
> likely.
> ?
> Now when people bank of there NWA as being rare cause of
> low TKW it seems that it this could be misleading cause of
> the circumstances that NWAs present to science and they way
> they are collected.
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> Shawn Alan
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> [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 (BRA) IS paired to NWA 5400 !Adam
> Hupe raremeteorites at yahoo.com
> Tue Sep 28 09:22:26 EDT 2010
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> Shawn wrote:
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> Now the slight problem I have with NWA's is that you really
> don't know how much
> of that stuff is out there. That can work in your favor and
> against you. So
> lets say you found an NWA and its about 1000g and you get
> it tested and its a
> new NWN. Now you can say its rare because there is only
> 1000g, but do you
> really know that for sure? From what I have seen, its not
> the case, and NWAs
> keep getting paired with each other more time then not....
> I think that's why I
> tend to stay away from NWA's for that reason and others.
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> This issue is not unique to NWA meteorites. The same thing
> could be said for
> Antarctic or other desert finds. Yes, Antarctica is a
> desert. The same issue
> applies to falls. How much Allende is really out there?
> Nobody knows for sure,
> the same can be said for Murchison. You can make the same
> claim for just about
> any fall. I have seen collectors financially burned on
> falls many times, myself
> among them. I have lost more value by collecting new falls
> than I have
> collecting finds. This is why I tend to stay away from new
> falls. The price
> drops off sharply within a few months once the initial
> excitement disappears.
>
>
> I lost a small fortune on New Orleans and Claxton by
> letting the market
> determine the value by putting them up for auction with no
> reserves.
>
> Happy Hunting, Long live the finds because without them we
> would have no lunar
> meteorites,
>
> Adam
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> Hello Greg S and Listers,
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> Now the slight problem I have with NWA's is that you really
> don't know how much of that?stuff is out there. That can
> work in your favor and against you. So lets say you found an
> NWA and its about 1000g and?you get it tested and its a new
> NWN. Now you can say?its rare because?there is only 1000g,
> but do you really know that for sure? From what I have seen,
> its not?the case, and?NWAs keep getting paired with each
> other more time then not.... I think that's why I tend to
> stay away from NWA's for that reason and others. Plus it
> seems that every meteorite is unique in its own right and
> some bank off that uniqueness and rarity to pump up the
> price in the NWA market. But once more is found, that type
> isn't that rare anymore, so that's why I stick with the
> historic falls, cause that event can only happen once and
> there is a rich history and legacy to back up that
> meteorite.
> ?
> Also?the NWA?5400 is speculated to have a connection with
> Earth. Now?in my own opinion if this was the find of the
> century, wouldn't you think there would be more research
> papers written about this monumental find that some people
> praise it to be? All?I can find are 2?papers and the
> second paper?doesn't?even seem that promising. Good
> example is Almahata Sitta. That meteorite has been around
> since NWA 5400 and there is so much information and papers
> upon papers?about this meteorite, and?the research hasn't
> stop, but for the NWA 5400, its?is a trickle, 2 papers
> whats up with that? Again, the evidence isnt there and a
> swashy?thought out theory, which other theories have been
> brough up about the NWA 5400 and where it came from, more
> evidence please.?
> ?
> But at the end of the day people have their reasons why
> they collect and some are drawn to classifications and
> others to historic falls. The good thing for any collector
> is to do research and learn what they are?going to buy
> before?they buy it. Also?they learn alot more about
> meteorites in the process and gain a since of understanding
> of where meteorites came to be.
> ?
> If any one has the?time, check out this link below, its a
> great paper written?by Ursula B. Marvin, explaining
> the?beginning of meteorites from a historical and
> scientific perspective.
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> http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1996M%26PS...31..545M
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> Shawn Alan
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> !Thunder Stone stanleygregr at hotmail.com
> Mon Sep 27 18:48:32 EDT 2010
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> Wow - this is making my head spin.? It is my understanding
> that the O isotope data is necessary to show the
> relationship to the early earth-type rocks; it has to fall
> on the TFL.? I would think this is necessary to prove a
> "pairing" to NWA 5400.? Until then, it is not 100%
> certain.? The fact that NWA 6292 IS paired to 5400 suggests
> that there could be more of this unique meteorite out there.
>
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> Just my thoughts,
>
> Greg S.
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