[meteorite-list] NWA 6292 (BRA) IS paired to NWA 5400 !

From: Starsinthedirt at aol.com <Starsinthedirt_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 23:10:18 EDT
Message-ID: <6c5.54f877a4.39d0139a_at_aol.com>

Just for the record, I own no 5363, 5400 or 6292. I have no dog in this
fight.

I do however, hate to see "value by exclusion" being called "Science" If
the testing by Dr. Jambon is inadequate, then that is worth discussion,
but this "close the door quick so my piece of the pie retains it's value" is
wrong!

Tom

In a message dated 9/25/2010 8:34:08 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
countdeiro at earthlink.net writes:
List and those whose feet fit the following shoes,

Peter is quoted by Greg as saying each and every suspected "pairing" to
NWA 5400 absolutely has to have oxygen isotope analysis performed. I
empathically agree.

When I, and other collectors, purchase a specimen of a rarity that
commands a high price per gram, we select carefully a dealer that we know and
trust to have accomplished a complete classification that includes gas
analysis. Greg Hupe' has an impeccable reputation as, does Peter Marmet, of only
offering a new and rare addition to the inventory with full provenance and
analysis. Therefore, I buy from them.

For my own reasons, I paid a premium price to have my pick of NWA 5400
when first offered by Hupe' and I don't like having my ox gored by
opportunists and profiteers. There are standards that should be followed amongst
gentlemen of commerce.

Best to all,

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536

-----Original Message-----
>From: Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net>
>Sent: Sep 25, 2010 2:06 PM
>To: Peter Marmet <p.marmet at sunrise.ch>, Greg Catterton
<star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>, Starsinthedirt at aol.com
>Cc: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 (BRA) IS paired to NWA 5400 !
>
>Hello Peter, GregC and Tom,
>
>Peter has it right, each and EVERY suspect 'pairing' to NWA 5400
absolutely
>has to have oxygen isotope analysis performed, on every stone. Most
people
>do not know about the additional stones that 'looked' like NWA 5400, but
>oxygen work proved they were not paired. I even submitted samples from
>additional stones I sampled while in Morocco two years ago that 'looked'
>similar to NWA 5400, but oxygen analysis later proved them to be 'just'
>brachinites. NWA 5400 is one meteorite that requires these advanced
>analysis, no shortcuts or visual 'pairing' will cut it. As Peter pointed
>out, "...further studies are currently [being] made concerning NWA 5363."
In
>other words, oxygen isotope analysis has not been completed so "NWA 5363"
>has not been confirmed as a pairing [to NWA 5400]. The last discussion on
>this List during the summer months stated that. Dr. Irving had not yet
>received a sample of "NWA 5363". But then again, which of the 30 stones,
if
>any, were sampled and sent to him?
>
>Since we know that NWA 5363 consists of 30 (thirty) different stones
>totaling ~2kg, I and Dr. Irving, among others, believe that each and
every
>stone that is considered as "NWA 5363" need to be individually studied
and
>have oxygen analysis performed, unless all 30 pieces fit neatly together
as
>a puzzle, which they do not. As we know, visual comparisons do not make
for
>a pairing even upon the 30 pieces where only one stone was sampled. As
Dr.
>Irving stated, "NWA 5363" will always be a suspect meteorite because of
the
>unfinished work (no oxygen performed) and the fact that there are 30
>different stones that were visually paired, tossed in a box, and then
sold
>around the world as being paired to the one sampled "NWA 5363" stone.
>
>I am not trying to further any negative discussions here, these are just
the
>facts. If I had a stone from "NWA 5363", you bet I would send a piece of
>that particular rock and have oxygen analysis performed, preferably by
the
>same lab where NWA 5400 was studied. Short of that, you have, or are
>offering, unconfirmed stones which may or may not be paired to the "NWA
>5363" stone, much less NWA 5400.
>
>I will not engage into any further discussions here regarding this topic.
If
>you have concerns about your "NWA 5363" stone, contact a scientist who is
>willing to study your rock.
>
>Best regards,
>Greg
>
>====================
>Greg Hupe
>The Hupe Collection
>NaturesVault (eBay)
>gmhupe at htn.net
>www.LunarRock.com
>IMCA 3163
>====================
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>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Peter Marmet" <p.marmet at sunrise.ch>
>To: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
>Cc: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 12:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 (BRA) IS paired to NWA 5400 !
>
>
>Hello Tom, Greg and list,
>
>I know that further studies are currently made concerning NWA 5363. I
>also know that several recent finds are - strangely - NOT paired to
>NWA 5400, despite
>the fact that they look very similar.
>
>Here you can see picts of NWA 5363 (please scroll down) and NWA 6292
>(paired to NWA 5400!)
>
>http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id41.html
>
>...and here are two picts of a thin section of NWA 5363:
>
>http://www.thinsections.ch/ts/LOD_-_ACAP_-_BRA.html (please scroll
down)
>
>Best,
>Peter
>
>
>
>
>
>2010/9/25 Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>:
>> I have not seen anything recent, but last I read on here it had been
>> confirmed already to be paired (5363)
>>
>> I have a couple nice slices of 5400 and I have to say that its awesome,
>> and I will be sharing thin section images of it soon.
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing the 5363 images also!
>>
>> Hope everyone is doing good today.
>>
>> Greg Catterton
>> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
>> IMCA member 4682
>> On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
>> On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites
>>
>>
>> --- On Fri, 9/24/10, Starsinthedirt at aol.com <Starsinthedirt at aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Starsinthedirt at aol.com <Starsinthedirt at aol.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 (BRA) IS paired to NWA 5400 !
>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 8:12 PM
>>> Hi list, I am working on a
>>> batch of NWA 5363 (provisional) transmitted
>>> light Xpol images and the results are turning out
>>> very good.
>>>
>>> I was wondering what the current scoop on 5363 is.
>>> Any news of any other
>>> pairings than 6292?
>>>
>>> Does some one have the whole story on this?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Tom
>>>
>>> In a message dated 9/17/2010 11:31:09 A.M. Mountain
>>> Daylight Time,
>>> p.marmet at sunrise.ch
>>> writes:
>>> Dear buyers of NWA 6292, dear list members,
>>>
>>> NWA 6292 IS paired to NWA 5400 !
>>>
>>> Just got this info from Dr. A.J. Irving:
>>> Quote:
>>> "I received an analysis of the oxygen isotope
>>> composition of NWA 6292,
>>> which plots on the terrestrial
>>> fractionation line, thus confirming that this specimen is
>>> paired with NWA
>>> 5400."
>>>
>>> I just updated my "Achondrites fro sale" page, incl.
>>> NWA 6292 (BRA):
>>>
>>> http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id41.html
>>>
>>> Please note: Status of NWA 6292 is still
>>> provisional.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> Peter Marmet - IMCA #2747
>>> Bern, Switzerland
>>> http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/
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