[meteorite-list] RFSPOD - Sep 18, 2010 - THe Elbogen Iron

From: countdeiro at earthlink.net <countdeiro_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:24:31 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
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No offense taken..Martin :0)

Guido

-----Original Message-----
>From: Matthias B?rmann <majbaermann at web.de>
>Sent: Sep 18, 2010 3:29 PM
>To: Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - Sep 18, 2010 - THe Elbogen Iron
>
>Hi Mike, Martin e.a., -
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>
>the story of Elbogen (Loket) oscillates between fiction and historical
>event, fairy tale and report. That's quite fascinating.
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>There's the tale of the cruel Count (excuse me, Guido ;-) of Elbogen who
>received punishment through a heavenly event: thunder, lightning, an
>impact, and at least, at the ground of a crater, a "stone" instead of the
>Count (who stand before at that place). Always a practical solution, as we
>know from the end of "Don Giovanni" as well :-)
>
>
>
>On the other hand in several contexts 1422 is mentioned as the year of a
>meteorite fall in the region of Elbogen/Loket
>http://cestovani.kr-karlovarsky.cz/de/pronavstevniky/Zajimavosti/Krajvbajichapovestech/Seiten/Loket.aspx
>
>- however without exact descriptions.
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>At least I'd agree with you, Martin: Elbogen, the first European fall - not
>at least 'cause this mixture of fiction and reality is a quite typical
>European feature ...
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>
>My best as ever,
>
>
>
>Matthias
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
>To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 11:29 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - Sep 18, 2010 - THe Elbogen Iron
>
>
>Hi Mike,
>
>Because the Brothers Grimm do have it in their folk tales collection.
>At their time it was kept in the local town hall.
>Other version report such phenoma like thunder, a pit, where it laid....
>
>Main mass in Vienna:
>http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/WebImg/Elbogen.jpg
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>
>Elbogen was also used as print plate by Widmanstaetten, when he printed
>firstly his Thomson structures.
>
>Elbogen:
>http://www.zamky-hrady.cz/2/img/loket_let.jpg
>
>Elbogen castle:
>http://www.kurpension-buchmann.de/Bilder/Loket_burg.jpg
>
>Here a knife, which was in the possession of Chladni, made of Elbogen.
>http://euromin.w3sites.net/Nouveau_site/musees/berlin/Website-dt/Elbogen.htm
>l
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>Here a version of the story from Ludwig Bechstein's Book of German Tales
>(1852):
>http://www.zerda.de/der-verwuenschte-burggraf.html
>
>And here we have the long and detailed report by Neumann, 1812,
>who had visited that iron in 1811 and had taken samples.
>He writes, that Chladni visited him soon after, swapped 6 meteorites versus
>the iron samples
>and was so excited about, that he decided to travel immediately to Elbogen.
>
>http://kuerzer.de/Neumannelbogen
>
>Neumann quotes the topographer Schaller to have firstly reported that iron.
>(Must have been Jaroslaus Schaller, 1785).
>
>Schaller reported also, that the General Johann von Werth (1591-1652) had
>let the lump thrown into the well of the castle.
>
>Johann von Werth:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_von_Werth
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>
>For me it always will remain the first European fall :-)
>Martin
>
>
>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mike
>Bandli
>Gesendet: Samstag, 18. September 2010 22:02
>An: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de; Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - Sep 18, 2010 - THe Elbogen Iron
>
>Dear Bernd,
>
>Thanks for the extract. I wonder why most catalogues, Grady, MetBull, etc.
>still list it as a fall. Perhaps it was the story of it being chained down
>to prevent it from flying away the way it came. There also seems to be
>discrepancies in "The History of Meteoritics and Key Meteorite Collections,"
>where it is listed as both by different authors. One would think that by now
>the official status of such a historic piece would be sorted out. I'll have
>to read the old reports and see where the fall status stems from.
>Interesting!
>
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