[meteorite-list] RFSPOD - Sep 18, 2010 - THe Elbogen Iron

From: Matthias Bärmann <majbaermann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 00:29:16 +0200
Message-ID: <F4F27F2B783041739ABDAB6952C6E426_at_thinkcentre>

Hi Mike, Martin e.a., -



the story of Elbogen (Loket) oscillates between fiction and historical
event, fairy tale and report. That's quite fascinating.



There's the tale of the cruel Count (excuse me, Guido ;-) of Elbogen who
received punishment through a heavenly event: thunder, lightning, an
impact, and at least, at the ground of a crater, a "stone" instead of the
Count (who stand before at that place). Always a practical solution, as we
know from the end of "Don Giovanni" as well :-)



On the other hand in several contexts 1422 is mentioned as the year of a
meteorite fall in the region of Elbogen/Loket
http://cestovani.kr-karlovarsky.cz/de/pronavstevniky/Zajimavosti/Krajvbajichapovestech/Seiten/Loket.aspx

- however without exact descriptions.



At least I'd agree with you, Martin: Elbogen, the first European fall - not
at least 'cause this mixture of fiction and reality is a quite typical
European feature ...



My best as ever,



Matthias





----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - Sep 18, 2010 - THe Elbogen Iron


Hi Mike,

Because the Brothers Grimm do have it in their folk tales collection.
At their time it was kept in the local town hall.
Other version report such phenoma like thunder, a pit, where it laid....

Main mass in Vienna:
http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/WebImg/Elbogen.jpg


Elbogen was also used as print plate by Widmanstaetten, when he printed
firstly his Thomson structures.

Elbogen:
http://www.zamky-hrady.cz/2/img/loket_let.jpg

Elbogen castle:
http://www.kurpension-buchmann.de/Bilder/Loket_burg.jpg

Here a knife, which was in the possession of Chladni, made of Elbogen.
http://euromin.w3sites.net/Nouveau_site/musees/berlin/Website-dt/Elbogen.htm
l

Here a version of the story from Ludwig Bechstein's Book of German Tales
(1852):
http://www.zerda.de/der-verwuenschte-burggraf.html

And here we have the long and detailed report by Neumann, 1812,
who had visited that iron in 1811 and had taken samples.
He writes, that Chladni visited him soon after, swapped 6 meteorites versus
the iron samples
and was so excited about, that he decided to travel immediately to Elbogen.

http://kuerzer.de/Neumannelbogen

Neumann quotes the topographer Schaller to have firstly reported that iron.
(Must have been Jaroslaus Schaller, 1785).

Schaller reported also, that the General Johann von Werth (1591-1652) had
let the lump thrown into the well of the castle.

Johann von Werth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_von_Werth



For me it always will remain the first European fall :-)
Martin


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mike
Bandli
Gesendet: Samstag, 18. September 2010 22:02
An: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de; Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - Sep 18, 2010 - THe Elbogen Iron

Dear Bernd,

Thanks for the extract. I wonder why most catalogues, Grady, MetBull, etc.
still list it as a fall. Perhaps it was the story of it being chained down
to prevent it from flying away the way it came. There also seems to be
discrepancies in "The History of Meteoritics and Key Meteorite Collections,"
where it is listed as both by different authors. One would think that by now
the official status of such a historic piece would be sorted out. I'll have
to read the old reports and see where the fall status stems from.
Interesting!

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