[meteorite-list] RFSPOD - Sep 18, 2010 - THe Elbogen Iron

From: Martin Altmann <altmann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 23:29:13 +0200
Message-ID: <00f001cb5778$8aa65640$9ff302c0$_at_de>

Hi Mike,

Because the Brothers Grimm do have it in their folk tales collection.
At their time it was kept in the local town hall.
Other version report such phenoma like thunder, a pit, where it laid....

Main mass in Vienna:
http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/WebImg/Elbogen.jpg


Elbogen was also used as print plate by Widmanstaetten, when he printed
firstly his Thomson structures.

Elbogen:
http://www.zamky-hrady.cz/2/img/loket_let.jpg

Elbogen castle:
http://www.kurpension-buchmann.de/Bilder/Loket_burg.jpg

Here a knife, which was in the possession of Chladni, made of Elbogen.
http://euromin.w3sites.net/Nouveau_site/musees/berlin/Website-dt/Elbogen.htm
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Here a version of the story from Ludwig Bechstein's Book of German Tales
(1852):
http://www.zerda.de/der-verwuenschte-burggraf.html

And here we have the long and detailed report by Neumann, 1812,
who had visited that iron in 1811 and had taken samples.
He writes, that Chladni visited him soon after, swapped 6 meteorites versus
the iron samples
and was so excited about, that he decided to travel immediately to Elbogen.

http://kuerzer.de/Neumannelbogen

Neumann quotes the topographer Schaller to have firstly reported that iron.
(Must have been Jaroslaus Schaller, 1785).

Schaller reported also, that the General Johann von Werth (1591-1652) had
let the lump thrown into the well of the castle.

Johann von Werth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_von_Werth



For me it always will remain the first European fall :-)
Martin


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Dear Bernd,

Thanks for the extract. I wonder why most catalogues, Grady, MetBull, etc.
still list it as a fall. Perhaps it was the story of it being chained down
to prevent it from flying away the way it came. There also seems to be
discrepancies in "The History of Meteoritics and Key Meteorite Collections,"
where it is listed as both by different authors. One would think that by now
the official status of such a historic piece would be sorted out. I'll have
to read the old reports and see where the fall status stems from.
Interesting!

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