[meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400

From: Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 11:05:29 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <978946.64822.qm_at_web46411.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

> No one is "attacking" you personally. John is NOT out of line.

Comments such as he made when addressed to me is a direct attack on me and my remarks about the official TKW of pairings.

> He seems to be up to date on the facts regarding the pairings of the stones

Incorrect. There has been other confirmed pairings, just recently discussed on this list.

> I feel your comment is irresponsible, scientifically and personally.
Your comment: "...With over 10kg of this material in
pairings known so far, I am willing to bet there is likely a
good amount more still. I bet the Brachinties are coming out
of the woodwork to be tested...."

How? There is CONFIRMED to be OVER 13kg of this material paired.
And yes, Brachinites are coming out of the woodwork.
How is that comment "irresponsible, scientifically and personally."
Its based on FACTS. So again, whats wrong with what I said?



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--- On Tue, 10/5/10, Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com> wrote:

> From: Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 1:57 PM
> Greg, I must disagree with you
> completely... No one is "attacking" you personally. John is
> NOT out of line. He seems to be up to date on the facts
> regarding the pairings of the stones. Nothing he said that I
> can see is incorrect, however your attack on him seems
> rather "harsh". I feel your comment is irresponsible,
> scientifically and personally.
>
> Your comment: "...With over 10kg of this material in
> pairings known so far, I am willing to bet there is likely a
> good amount more still. I bet the Brachinties are coming out
> of the woodwork to be tested...."
>
> Possible, but the SCIENCE is more important than conjecture
> and feelings.
>
> Regards,
> Eric
>
>
>
> On 10/5/2010 10:30 AM, Greg Catterton wrote:
> > Wow...
> > First off, NWA 5363 HAS been confirmed paired, as well
> as 6292 and yours.
> >
> > I think YOU should check your facts before calling me
> out like you are.
> > A simple search of the metbul shows the REPORTED TKW
> of the material and simple math will show you the TKW of
> material that is in the 5363/5400/6077/6292 pairing group.
> >
> > Please do not publicly accuse me of things when YOU
> are the one who is not up to date with information and you
> do not have the facts correct.
> >
> > I have no interests in this material other then as a
> collector. I am not selling any of the material from any
> pairings.
> >
> > Why do you feel the need to come at me like you did?
> There is a nice amount of this available.
> >
> > I expect an apology for your comments as you are out
> of line and clearly in the wrong.
> > ALL I STATED IS FACTS.
> >
> > Greg Catterton
> > www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> > IMCA member 4682
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> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 10/5/10, John higgins<geohiggins at yahoo.com>?
> wrote:
> >
> >? ?
> >> From: John higgins<geohiggins at yahoo.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Official
> Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400
> >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 1:12 PM
> >> Greg Catterton,
> >>
> >> I would be very cautious with throwing loose words
> around
> >> "like considering all
> >> the pairings"
> >> As far as I know NWA 6077 is the only whole stone
> other
> >> than NWA 6292 of which
> >> is very fragmented that has conclusively been
> paired
> >> through testing and
> >> subsequent testing to NWA 5400, from what I
> understand most
> >> of the others are
> >> purely conjecture, or speculative without the
> extensive
> >> testing completed or in
> >> various stages of testing...
> >> I think our focus should be on the Science and
> authenticity
> >> of claims before you
> >> start making bets and psychic predictions about
> how much
> >> more material is paired
> >> to this very special and important meteorite.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regardless of what you think, and however hard you
> try to
> >> knock this meteorite
> >> for TKW, of what may or may not come to fruition,
> this
> >> meteorite is priceless to
> >> Science. I don't understand what the focus on TKW
> boils
> >> down to other than
> >> monetary value or jealousy, this meteorite truly
> transcends
> >> price. And I think
> >> the focus should be on the science of what this
> meteorite
> >> can teach us about our
> >> past. And possibly give us clues to the future.
> NWA 6077 is
> >> a Meteorite that has
> >> most likely come from the mantle of a planet,
> which one?
> >> The Oxygen Isotope
> >> results suggest one like our own planet Earth.
> Even if

> >> there are 10kg or more,
> >> this meteorite is from the mantle of a planet that
> is
> >> similar to our own and
> >> comes from a place in time that does not exist
> anymore. I
> >> hope we can, as a
> >> community become more productive with our time and
> focus on
> >> figuring out what
> >> the meteorite parent body is and what the
> conditions are
> >> that existed when it
> >> materialized. I suggest we shift the emphasis to
> the
> >> scientific study rather
> >> than putting such a great focus on prematurely
> rushing TKW
> >> statistics, that can
> >> only be revealed only after many more years of
> scientific
> >> studies.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> John Higgins
> >> IMCA# 9822
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Greg Catterton<star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com;
> >> John higgins<geohiggins at yahoo.com>
> >> Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 12:01:35 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Official
> Announcement NWA
> >> 6077 is Paired with NWA
> >> 5400
> >>
> >> Its great that there is such a nice amount of this
> material
> >> when considering all
> >> the pairings... With over 10kg of this material in
> pairings
> >> known so far, I am
> >> willing to bet there is likely a good amount more
> still.
> >> I bet the Brachinties are coming out of the
> woodwork to be
> >> tested.
> >>
> >> Greg Catterton
> >> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> >> IMCA member 4682
> >> On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
> >> On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Tue, 10/5/10, John higgins<geohiggins at yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>? ? ?
> >>> From: John higgins<geohiggins at yahoo.com>
> >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Official
> Announcement NWA
> >>>? ? ? ?
> >> 6077 is Paired with NWA
> >>? ? ?
> >>> 5400
> >>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >>> Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 9:26 AM
> >>> Official Announcement
> >>>???NWA 6077 IS PAIRED WITH NWA
> 5400
> >>>???North West Africa 6077
> Description:
> >>> An olivine-rich assemblage with cumulate (or
> possibly
> >>> metamorphic) texture
> >>> exhibiting triple junction grain boundaries.
> Olivine
> >>> (Fa30.2-30.7),
> >>> orthopyroxene (Fs24.1-24.5Wo2.1-2.0),
> clinopyroxene
> >>> (Fs9.4-10.0Wo44.0-43.5),
> >>> altered kamacite, chromite, chlorapatite,
> Ni-bearing
> >>> troilite and/or pyrrhotite.
> >>> No plagioclase was found. Analysis conducted
> at the
> >>> Carnegie Institution of
> >>> Washington show that the oxygen isotopic
> composition
> >>>? ? ? ?
> >> of
> >>? ? ?
> >>> this specimen plots on
> >>> the Terrestrial Fractionation Line. In
> conjunction
> >>>? ? ? ?
> >> with the
> >>? ? ?
> >>> mineral compositions
> >>> and texture, this establishes that NWA 6077 is
> paired
> >>>? ? ? ?
> >> with
> >>? ? ?
> >>> NWA 5400.
> >>>???The averages of the two
> Oxygen Isotope Results are:
> >>> d17O = 2.780, d18O = 5.358, D17O = -0.019 (all
> in per
> >>>? ? ? ?
> >> mil)
> >>? ? ?
> >>>???This brachinite was recovered
> out of Morocco in 2008
> >>>? ? ? ?
> >> as
> >>? ? ?
> >>> one whole stone and
> >>> purchased by John Higgins. It was submitted
> for
> >>> classification to Dr. Tony
> >>> Irving and was given the provisional
> classification
> >>>? ? ? ?
> >> number
> >>? ? ?
> >>> of NWA 6077. This
> >>> meteorite has a modest TKW of less than 1000g
> after
> >>>? ? ? ?
> >> the
> >>? ? ?
> >>> type specimen was
> >>> removed.
> >>>???Personal Notes: Although I
> suspected that the two
> >>>? ? ? ?
> >> were
> >>? ? ?
> >>> possibly paired due to
> >>> similarities in visual observations and
> >>>? ? ? ?
> >> classification
> >>? ? ?
> >>> compositions, I felt it
> >>> was important to wait for secondary Oxygen
> Isotope
> >>>? ? ? ?
> >> results
> >>? ? ?
> >>> to come in which have
> >>> recently confirmed the results beyond a
> reasonable
> >>>? ? ? ?
> >> doubt.
> >>? ? ?
> >>> There was also another
> >>> important factor besides Oxygen Isotope
> testing that
> >>>? ? ? ?
> >> had
> >>? ? ?

> >>> to be taken into
> >>> account. Orthopyroxene which is present in NWA
> 5400
> >>>? ? ? ?
> >> was
> >>? ? ?
> >>> missed the first time
> >>> around in NWA 6077 because it looks identical
> to
> >>> clinopyroxene in back-scattered
> >>> electron images. However further in-depth
> >>> microprobe studies of the thin section
> >>> have confirmed the presence of orthopyroxene,
> and are
> >>> now noted in the updated
> >>> description. I feel that making a self pairing
> based
> >>>? ? ? ?
> >> upon
> >>? ? ?
> >>> my own
> >>> visual observations, is not only unethical,
> >>>? ? ? ?
> >> inappropriate,
> >>? ? ?
> >>> and akin to pirating,
> >>> but would only feed the controversies
> regarding this
> >>> meteorite without the
> >>> scientific testing data to back up such
> speculation,
> >>>? ? ? ?
> >> such
> >>? ? ?
> >>> action would be
> >>> premature, immoral and unfair to Greg Hupe and
> NWA
> >>>? ? ? ?
> >> 5400
> >>? ? ?
> >>> after all the time and
> >>> effort he put into the study of what has
> become one of
> >>>? ? ? ?
> >> the
> >>? ? ?
> >>> most important
> >>> meteorite finds in history.
> >>>???Have a Great Day!
> >>> John Higgins
> >>> IMCA#9822
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>? ? ?
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