[meteorite-list] nwa 5400 pairing to nwa 5363

From: Norbert Classen <riffraff_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 01:42:35 +0200
Message-ID: <A78590AFD82943CFB4737F4BAEF44424_at_lunatic>

Hi Dave & All,

Dr. Jambon asked me explicitly not to publish his entire abstract - it will be published after it has been approved by the NomCom of the Meteoritical Society. That's the usual way to do this, and I perfectly understand that. However, he gave me the permission to quote the respective numbers for NWA 5363 - so here you go:

Oxygen isotopes: d17O =2.152?; d18O = 4.183?; ?17O = -0.023?

Does that help?

All the best,
Norbert Classen

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Dave Myers [mailto:whitefalcons007 at yahoo.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Oktober 2010 01:27
An: Norbert Classen; habibi abdelaziz; meteorite list
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] RE: nwa 5400 pairing to nwa 5363

Hi Norbert, Aziz, Dr Jambon, and list!

For The most part, in the last 3-4 years, I have been on the side lines just reading the post!

If 3 people Have access to this data ( NWA-5363 o- Isotope) and belong to this list, "Why state you have it, and not post the results on hear??? I do not understand this at all.


Why keep good people in a argument, I am sure 99.9% of all the people on this list are all good people at heart, with all the same interest as everyone else.
That is the only reason we are hear. METEORITES.
To share knowledge about what we love.

So if you have the data, post it on Hear tonight, And Everyone can get along.

dave myers

 


----- Original Message ----
From: Norbert Classen <riffraff at timewarp.de>
To: habibi abdelaziz <azizhabibi at yahoo.com>; meteorite list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 6:34:38 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] RE: nwa 5400 pairing to nwa 5363

Hi Aziz, and All,

Yes, I can confirm that I received all the data from Dr. Jambon in the meantime, including the O-isotope data, and there seems to be no doubt that NWA 5400 and the stone classified by Dr. Jambon (NWA 5363) are actually paired. The O-isotope ratios plot very close to the TFL (terrestrial fractionation line), and the mineral compositions for olivine, orthopyroxene and clinopyroxene do also match closely.

Thanks to Dr. Jambon for providing these data.

Kind regards,
Norbert Classen

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----

hi all,

albert wrote today to me.
he said,
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I did write to Norbert. He has the data now. .

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thanks albert for your effort and your help ; and thanks norbert for helping this issue to move on to the good way.
do we have this data now
all the best

aziz habibi


> ----- Message transf?r? ---- De : Norbert Classen
> <riffraff at timewarp.de> ?
:
>habibi abdelaziz <azizhabibi at yahoo.com>; meteorite list
><meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Envoy? le : Mer 29 septembre
>2010, 23h 11min 20s Objet : AW: [meteorite-list] nwa 5400 pairing to
>nwa 5363 Dear Aziz & All, You wrote: > he said too that he has given
>all the data that confirm > the pairing including the isotope to
>norbert classen in > end june where they talk abaout this and as i
>asked him > to do so. Maybe there's a slight misunderstanding here. I
>actually emailed with Dr. Jambon in June, and we also intended to meet
>at the Ste. Marie Show at the end of June where Dr. Jambon wanted to
>show me all the data (including the O-isotope data). However,
>unfortunatelly we missed each other at the show, and so the meeting
>didn't take place. Don't get me wrong, I have no reason to doubt Dr.
>Jambon's word on this - I just wanted to get the facts straight. Maybe
>you misunderstood Dr. Jambon? But up to this day I haven't seen the
>O-isotope data for NWA 5363. All I have seen is a writeup on NWA 5363
>which didn't include the O-isotope data. Again, that doesn't mean much,
>and I'm also looking forward to the official publication of NWA 5363.
>This will hopefully answer all the questions. We all need to remember
>that meteorite classification (including the voting process on new
>meteorites at the NomCom of the Meteoritical Society) takes time. So we
>as collectors should, IMHO, be patient, and wait with conclusions until
>the scientific work has been done and published. All the best, Norbert
>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- hi all and i m happy that this issue
>is becoming a very polit and civilised discussion; well 3 months that i
>do not want to get caught inside this discussion any more, but well
>this is becoming repeated to a point that we forget what the debat is
>about, for nwa 5363; i get a talk on albert jambon mobile , i asked him
>that many dealers or collectors still think that nwa 5400 is not paired
>to nwa 5363 and he answered me this. he said that he have submited to
>the nomcom all the information, and he coudln't have said that they are
>paired if he haven't done isotope so clearly he indicate that he has
>done isotope and have submited them to the nomcom dr wisberg or so ,
>its on the phone. and he said he is surprised why the nomcom didn't
>pubilsh them yet, he said too that he has given all the data that
>confirm the pairing including the isotope to norbert classen in end
>june where they talk abaout this and as i asked him to do so. so i ask
>here do we have any guy from the nomcom here , please end this torture
>and tell us if you have this data or not,and why you didn't publish
>them. thanks aziz habibi ______________________________________________
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