[meteorite-list] BLACK FRIDAY POP QUIZ Answer

From: almitt2 at localnet.com <almitt2_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 01:37:22 -0500
Message-ID: <20101130013722.zw83v3uw3rc4c4s0_at_webmail.localnet.com>

Hi Mark and all,

The subject is cost of lunar specimens and were going off topic by
trying to discuss NASA spin offs but I'll reluctantly discuss it.

First, show me where in my post I said that NASA invented the
computer,velcro (thanks for the spelling) and freeze dried food. They
simply took ideas and made them better for space flight which were then
used by same companies or borrowed by other companies and why we have
those products today.

Computers components were made smaller and downsized, better velcro was
figured out and used, and I don't know really know about freezed dried
food but did the Incas and Victorian England make vacuums to pull the
moisture out without further cooking the food? I doubt it. They
probably dehydrated foods instead.

One can do a search of the NASA spinoffs during the Apollo era and see
there were many and those innovations were a benefit to people, simple.
So my statement that the cost of lunar material can't be totally
figured to the total cost of the Apollo Program is correct and I
believe on target. It would be difficult to really figure out the true
cost yet.

Having been involved in reporting and space flight launch photography
during part of that era, and having seen the many NASA provided
pamphlets addressing space spin offs from Apollo, you can argue that it
wasn't that big of a improvement or deal but I'll always disagree.

That's it for this subject.

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites

Quoting Mark Ford <mark.ford at ssl.gb.com>:

>
>>> the NASA spin offs that many of us enjoy today including computers,
>>> velcrov, freeze dried foods and the list goes on in many ways I can't
>>> list have to also be taken into consideration.
>
>
> Except that Computers, Velcro and Freeze dried foods where NOT invented
> by Nasa for the space program!
>
>
> - The hook-and-loop fastener (Velcro) was invented in 1941 by Swiss
> engineer, George de Mestral from Commugny, Switzerland
>
> - Computers where invented in the 1940's and already in widespread in
> academia BEFORE the Apollo era.
>
> - Freeze dried foods where used by the Inca's, and in Victorian England.
>
>
> The often misquoted Lunar program spin offs where not nearly as
> widespread as is often touted, granted there were many advances, but
> using the few spin off's as sole justification for multibillion dollar
> space programs is maybe stretching it..
>
> We should go back to the moon though for sure!
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: 29 November 2010 08:21
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> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BLACK FRIDAY POP QUIZ Answer
>
> Hi Richard and all,
>
> If one figures the cost of going to the moon the returned lunar
> material as the only benifit, then the cost of $44,537,594.97 would be
> correct. However there were many, many other benifits as well. All of
> the NASA spin offs that many of us enjoy today including computers,
> velcrov, freeze dried foods and the list goes on in many ways I can't
> list have to also be taken into consideration.
>
> There are thousands of things that mankind has benifited from the space
> program.
> I would suggest that the cost of the lunar material coming from the
> moon to be only one of those benifits and the cost of the lunar
> material to be in the $50,000 to $200,000 per gram range. I have no
> effective way to figure exactly but my guess non the less.
>
> Most respectfully
>
> --AL Mitterling
>
>
> Quoting Richard Kowalski <damoclid at yahoo.com>:
>
>> Below was my response to Shawn.
>>
>> Richard Kowalski
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>
>> Pretty easy one Shawn, but I'm not sure it'll be the one you are
>> thinking of, and I'm sure I won't be the 10th "correct" submission...
>>
>> Hadley Rille
>>
>> The Apollo missions cost, in 2005 dollars, ~170 Billion dollars.
>> Returning with a total of 381.7 kg of material, thus each gram costs
>> a whopping $44,537,594.97, so this is the cost, per gram of Hadley
>> Rille, 5 years ago. The price has increased since then...
>>
>> Since Hadley Rille was an estimated in weight at 3 milligrams, the
>> total cost of the entire meteorite was, again in 2005 dollars,
>> $133,612.77
>>
>>
>
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