[meteorite-list] meteorite-list] Scale Cubes
From: Jeff Kuyken <info_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:41:29 +1100 Message-ID: <CEA24BF0B79940B8B078406ED06B9557_at_JeffPC> Yep... Richard and I both agreed that we want a specimen where a 1m cube is needed! ;-) It's a personal thing really. 1cm has become the standard but 1inch has been used in the past. As long as it is clear I guess it does not matter too much. I personally prefer the 1cm cubes but Australia also switched to metric long before I was born so that's what I have also known. Here's a couple of interesting (and very nice) pics of two spectacular ~33kg individuals using a 1cm cube. http://www.fallingrocks.com/Collections/NWA5439.htm http://www.meteorite-recon.com/en/Meteoritensammlung.htm For those wanting an update on my WC cubes there is a new prototype under way. I'll have to see how it goes before I know anything more. Cheers, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kowalski" <damoclid at yahoo.com> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list] Scale Cubes "Standard" I may be mistaken, but has there be a standard set? AFAIK, these are scale cubes, not standard cubes. Now the example you cite is ambiguous. I have no way of knowing if it is a 1-cm cube or some other dimension because there is no scale on the scale cube. That is my gripe. For a scale cube to be truly useful it has to have the scale visible on it. I really don't care of the actual size of a scale cube as long as the scale is visible in the image. For the Count's find (which I can say I'm green with envy about. Nice job Count!) A 1 cm cube would be, in my opinion too small a 1 decimeter cube, clearly marked as such, would be much more appropriate. I made the comment to Jeff Kuygen in a private email that a 1 meter scale cube would make more sense for a Hoba sized meteorite. Usually we use people to show the scale of this iron in situ. Can you imagine how ridiculous it would be to try to use a 1-cm scale cube to show Hoba's scale? No. Scale cubes show scale and the scale needs to be appropriate to the object. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Mon, 3/15/10, Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com> wrote: > From: Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com> > Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list] Scale Cubes [WAS: Ad Announcing > the "Count" cube Scale / Orientation cube] > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 1:59 AM > Richard Listers > > Hi when you have a chance click on this link on eBay > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280478300077&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT > > It looks like this could be one of Tims cm wood cubes > (might I add I like the cm wood cubes he has done)? Well > that is what I would assume that its a cm cube because that > has been the set standard I have seen day in and day out > with orientation cubes. Now for argument sake, lets say > its a inch cube and the only reference I can go off of is > only the image and the cube with the T on it. By default, > I would assume its a cm size cube because that has been the > set standard. But in actuality its the inch cube, or who > knows, it could be 2.5 inch cube or 1.3 inch cube or a foot > cube. > > Now this can cause some confusion when people use > orientation cubes as a set standard for scale. When the > scale changes in size the orientation cube has no use now > when a new size is introduced or sizes. I like that he made > the inch cube in celebration for Counts big find. I think it > would have been more fitting and fun if he also branded the > wooden cubes to say The Count Cube on every side to > distinguish it from his cm wood cubes that he sells. > > What might happen is people might take the inch cube > and use it as an orientation cube scale and this could > cause confusion if you cant see the inch etched on one > side in the cube because all of the other orientation cubes > I have seen are cm, the standard that has been used. And > also to take in consideration not all bidders on eBay are > members on the Meteorite Central List. > > Shawn Alan > > > [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes [WAS: Ad Announcing the > "Count" cube Scale / Orientation cube]Richard Kowalski > damoclid at yahoo.com > Mon Mar 15 04:32:25 EDT 2010 > > > Previous message: [meteorite-list] Ad Announcing the > "Count" cube Scale / Orientation cube > Next message: [meteorite-list] Ad Announcing the "Count" > cube Scale / Orientation cube > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ > author ] > > Shawn, Matt, > > If I'm not mistaken, the scale cube was invented > specifically for the lunar samples brought back by the > Apollo missions. > > Obviously, the idea behind using a scale cube is just that, > to show the scale of the object in the photograph. > > I agree that for good scientific reasons, a scale cube in > some metric measurement makes the most sense. A cubic > centimeter is most common, but why not a cubic decimeter or > a cubic meter, if those are appropriately sized for the > object? I have no problem with any sized scale cube as long > as the dimension is clearly marked and visible in the > photograph. 1-cm, 1 inch, no matter. There is no "standard" > so to speak. The key is to use something of the appropriate > scale for the object being photographed... > > I have no objection to using other objects too, again as > long as they are easily identifiable. I might not know what > the coin is, if one is being used for scale, but I > immediately have a general idea how big is probably is. As > long as I can unambiguously identify it in the photograph, > that's all I need. If the image is poor and I can't > determine exactly what coin it is, much less the country of > origin, much of the value of using that coin for scale is > lost. > > Most car keys are about the same size and have been for a > very long time... Put them next to your rocks. I'll have > some idea how big they are. > > Something that REALLY bothers me is something ambiguous, > like dice. They all look the same and come in many different > sizes. Even the standard ones have no markings that tell you > they are standard size, or some other size. If you see them > in a photograph, is it a standard die, a small one from a > board game or is it a huge novelty die from a game show?? > > I can assume it is a standard die or close to it and get a > general scale of the object. The same goes for the plastic > 1-cm cubes you see in photos that have no scale marked on > them. By the weight of the object you can guess the cube is > 1-cm, but it's really a bad idea not to include the actual > size of your scale on your scale object, no matter what size > it is! > > Cheers > > -- > Richard Kowalski > Full Moon Photography > IMCA #1081 > > > > > > > > > Previous message: [meteorite-list] Ad Announcing the > "Count" cube Scale / Orientation cube > Next message: [meteorite-list] Ad Announcing the "Count" > cube Scale / Orientation cube > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ > author ] > > More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list > ______________________________________________ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listReceived on Mon 15 Mar 2010 05:41:29 AM PDT |
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