[meteorite-list] Meteors, by C. P. Oliver an original copy pubished in 1925

From: al mitt <almitt_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:15:28 -0500
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Hi Shawn,

I haven't ever suggested that a women wrote the name in the book. I simply
respect Mike's ability. I don't really know who wrote in the book. I simply
suggested going to some other sources that might verify what you are saying
and believe ( a couple of signitures to compare to are probably not enough).
Also someone who is more of an expert in handwritting than any of us.

I have a friend who probably has copies of LaPaz's handwritting and is
careful on his sources and most likely could shed light (if any needs to be
shedded) Best!

--AL Mitterling


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From: "Shawn Alan" <photophlow at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 3:37 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteors,by C. P. Oliver an original copy pubished
in 1925


   AL and List,

It looks like you have read the past few post on this topic and what we have
been discussion. I can concluded that Mike, Bob have both stated that the
signing of the book that is listed on the Internets is signed by a women and
not by Dr LaPaz. However I have pointed out alot of similarities and also
stated where the book is from Dr LaPaz estate. To finalize this I have over
looked something that is very odd if a women wrote Dr LaPaz name in his book
instead of him which, Mike has suggested.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/48262799 at N03/4422192244/


Now there is one other thing I noticed about the two writing samples
 that I have been over looking. look at the L's from both samples, they both
are by themselves. The next letter, A is also by its self in both samples.
Now look at the P's , both P's are by themselves. And lastly, the A and Z
are connected in both samples. Now from those two samples what are the odds
that Bob, Al, and Mike keep saying that a female wrote the second sample
would have the same letter patterns being connected and not
connected, and not to mention the other patterns that are similar in both
hand writing samples?

Lastly, Mikes sample is an autograph and the second sample is from Dr LaPaz
signing his name in his personal book for his Library usage. Those two
outcomes will result in different styles, but similarities will be present
if its done by the same person, which there are a few similarities which
most people can see plus the letter pattern of letters being connected and
not connected that its done by Dr LaPaz.

Shawn Alan


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Hi Shawn,



One other thing that might be done is to go back and find some
handwritten

papers that Lapaz wrote and compare those as another source. There
has to be

an archive of letters from him, if he didn't type out letters or
have that

done. I know your convienced of the authenticity of the book's
signiture.



I personally would contact a handwriting expert If I had any
question and

get an opinion there. It would put to rest any questions (if you
have any)

and could be used as a pedigree source to sell the book in the
future.



I know that there are some fake Nininger signitures in books he
wrote but

that is an attempt for who ever signed them like Nininger to get
more for

the book or books they were selling. I believe Mike has commented
about that

in the past. All my best and this has been an interesting discussion
 and I

have learn some things.



--AL Mitterling





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From: "Shawn Alan" <photophlow
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Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 11:01 PM

Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteors,by C. P. Oliver an original copy
pubished

in 1925





Hi Bob, AL, and Listers :)



Thank you for your comments on this topic. The book that is in
question has

been posted on the Internet by a gentlemen that married Dr LaPaz
daughter.

He is handling Dr LaPaz estate and in 2001 found over 500g of Norton
 County

meteorite in Dr LaPaz basement which 320g was taped by Dr LaPaz in
fear of

the fragment fracturing( I have 3 images that he sent me and if
anyone wants

to see the images I can email them to you if you like). Last month I
 had

purchased 2.3s fragment with photo copy's of new paper clippings and
 a photo

copy of a hand written letter from Dr LaPaz. Also the individual had
 told me

about the book he uploaded to the Internet and from the email he
sent me he

stated Dr LaPaz would sign his name in his book. Signing your name
on

something you own and doing a signature for a book sign are two
different

things. One is lose and the other is tight. Now its funny Mike
hasn't stated

where he got the book from with the signature.The book

 that is listed on the Internet is from Dr LaPaz's personal library

collection, making that book from the main source. Also when you
look at the

signature and the signing there are a few similarities between the
two. Here

is a link to the signature and the signing by Dr LaPaz.



http://www.flickr.com/photos/48262799 at N03/4422192244/



Take a look at the 2 L's and take a look at where the L curves. At
each

instance with both L's the curves are similar with their curves.
This can be

further seen with the P's on the top of the P, the arch lines up
perfectly

on the upward angle which that angle is also indicative with the L
angles as

well. When looking at the bottom of the P's they both point at an
inward

angle. Also notice the relation of where the P's start to the
relation of

P's arch. In both P's one can notice that the proportions are
congruent.

Another observation I pointed out that I think is damning is look at
 the P

in the left corner and do you notice at the end of the P how it
arches up?

Now take a look at the signature and look at the end of the P and
see the

arches and almost closes cause its a signature.



Now I would like to move to the A's. In both hand writing samples I
cant pen

point any similarities between the two on how they are written in
style. But

I did notice a pattern between the two on how they're written. Now
take a

look at both A's from the samples. Notice that the A's in La are
different

in respects to the A's in Paz. That pattern is suggestive in both
writing

samples where you see that one A are different to one another.



Lets move on to the Z. This one was a hard one but after writing to
you and

having a nights rests I noticed the shapes are similar. One is tight
 and the

other is vary loose. Where the z intersects the distance at the
intersection

point is similar in respects to proportion.



Now what you two , I mean three are saying, if a women wrote in the
book

that is listed on the internet

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/11388383_xtf3A#800281414_E7khp



why are there alot of similarities between the two examples of
writings? I

would find it very odd that there would be any similarities at all.
Now lets

say that the signature is from a book signing that Mike personal
went to and

got the signature from Dr LaPaz, I would feel that Mikes signature
would

validate as a good source and would confirm that the two samples
have

similarities. And if it wasn't signed in front of Mike the signature
 as an

example could be in question. But again, Mike is an expert in
historical

books and signatures, so I would have to agree with you Bob and Al
that the

signature Mike provided is by Dr LaPaz. In turn we can take that
example

listed by Mike and compare and it to the signed name by Dr LaPaz in
the

other book see some good similarities in the two writing styles.



Thank you

Shawn Alan





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Hi Bob,



Haven't had time to chime in on this but wanted to. I agree with
your

statements. Especially in regard to Mike Jensen's knowledge on the

subject of meteorite books and signitures. He would be the first
person

I would contact If I wondered about something in a meteorite book
and

is a super knowledgable guy.



While he was being humble by saying he isn't an absolute expert, an

expert is someone who knows more than the typical person on a
subject

and I would say that Mike is an expert as he has been dealing in
books

for a long long time.



--AL Mitterling










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